Racial Decline and Favoritism (Global Discussion)

Chaozi's Reply

Ah so much to read, but I suppose i got the main gist of everyones words hopefully. Im going to go ahead and Build the Dues Ex Hollows (Xeno) and the Mischevang Sisters has been rapidly increasing since I put the request up which is very pleasing.

Alright, thanks for being part of the solution and getting shit started. I can't wait to see the finished result.

Also Im somewhat pondering if the Espada Guards should be given a larger role in this. Seeing as I'm the only person that even has a guard, let alone controls 100% of the 2 character in it (including Miku) I think im going to have to request more Guards and will do so in a moment. They can be any race after all, and I'm pondering:

Shall Rihiku Return to the Espada?

That may have to be mulled around in my head for a good hour or so

It's all up to you everything you said in that last paragraph. What you said to do is make people more aware of the Espada Guards, Perks, benefits and etc so they'll make more of those characters.

As far as Rihiku goes, that's up to you as well. You are his creator, you decide where his story goes from here.

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Kendall's Reply

Well, i'm just getting them back into the fray, most of their information and stuff that i have, is still here and i'll simply explain anything people need help with, in pm's. Simply put, the main reason my race declined is due to close friends who were making a big part of them. If people will notice, they get alot of benefit, by making a sugiura clan member, or character. Not only do they have two stages that are on the level of shikai and bankai, but they are allowed one more, that goes past that level. Since i don't have many, people would be able to get a 1 or 0 tier, with the full stages, granted they have good rp skill, a good head on their shoulder, and good attitude.

As for getting them into the over all plot, they're pretty much aligned with most good organizations, on this site. So for people who want to make heroes, then come at me in a pm. as far as people who enjoy antagonist's, i could make a possible group for sugiuras, with saeko as the ring leader, who want to bring the kingdom down and take over the land, and maybe team up with other possible evil organizations in order to help them grow.

I'm making the king, revamping the queen, and i have big plans for them, to start over and make anew, but this will depend on the site memebrs and how popular the race becomes, i do ask, that even if they don't and i try my hardest, that i still get to keep them. on another note, i pretty much like the idea for quincies, and mod souls, well momo gave her idea, not only that, if people want to come to me for request's for character's to give more members to a specific group, pm me with an idea, and i will do anything that you'd like, granted you're respectful and a bit patient. That's my input, so take it into consideration, chao!

Since the Surigara are closely allied with The Vizard Corps, Iramasha Clan and The Yayjuu due to certain key members having close ties with their leaders or high position heads, maybe we can plan something between them and get them back in the game by participating in threads with people from those orgs.

Hell, even The Yayjuu's leader is married to one of the Surigara's own kind. That should be rather easy to get some things started between these two org's. This will also get them dragged into the main storyline since each side can call for the others assistance, give them data and work together.

So, we can talk in PM about everything you wanna do for them. You really need to send me links on the Surigara's information so I can put them on the sidebar and more people become aware. It's all about advertisement and recruiting.

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Urufu's Reply

Also, I know we already have stuff for humans, but I wish to suggest an alternate to that Chi stuff. I propose a human Clan that other members would be available to join, etc, and could potentially be integrated into the plot quite easily. All species are potentially capable of joining this clan, which would all for the lesser popular species to become quite powerful through the various spells, etc. It would also allow for the quincy/modsouls (whom are supposed to be rare anyway) to have an easier time writing histories and whatnot, as well as allies from the getgo.

As far as the path's human's can take, there is more then just chi. They can create their natural powers, go down a cybernetic path, use all the equipment within the stores to fight other worldy beings and can evolve into other races as well or become half-breeds along with the whole Chi Idea. I do believe there are alot of choices for human's to take on this compared to most others.

When it comes to your idea, I wouldn't have a problem with it becoming a Team/Clan, so I'll wait and see what becomes of that. If it becomes bigger, we'll take it from there and run with it I suppose. Just have them add that in the profiles of people who join and make that team thread.

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Moose's Reply

Oh my, seems I'm needed to place a little insert am I?

*Pops knuckles and whips out a cigarette* Well then, about the Mod Souls, Hollow, and Quincy, here's the thing. With the exception of the Quincy, we're talking the weakest of races, also all three are the races with the LEAST development pertaining to the manga. When people come here, they think of the current characters running from the manga now which are Shinigami, Humans (Fuck Fullbring), and sadly, that's about it. The Arrancar were finished (Too lightly if you ask me), and the OC races are interesting to people because that's what allows others to add their own spice into a mix. Basically because the Mod Souls (Kon), The Quincy (Isshida), and Hollows (Shinigami Fodder) aren't getting development anymore, they are most likely ignored. Also another thing to note is how weak the said races are. Ishida being one of the only few of his race got ROFL stomped recently in the manga in a pathetic way. What is this pathetic way you ask? Simple, he went off screen for 10 minutes, and was then found on the ground bleeding. Simple mystery cause and effect which makes for a weak throw at potential. Either way, Ishida is dirt now and the manga says so. Mod Souls do NOTHING! Even when Kon was in Ichigo's body, he couldn't fully destroy that Hollow by himself and he needed Ichigo to roll up in there and save his ass (JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE! D:<), and then my favorite the Hollow. Now why is there nearly NO famous hollow? Because they are the fodder to the Shinigami race, simple e'nuff.

Due to their pathetic potentials, no one wants an appealing character that lacks self defense, because sadly when people come here to RP, the first thing in their mind for an RP site based off a shounen Manga is FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

We pretty much discussed that entire section of your post and have already decided we are gonna spice up the template's, abilities and new org's for that purpose since we know Kubo isn't gonna do anything for them. At least not in this foreseeable future.

1) Buff them with a simple +400 year magic. The Arrancar as well as other races had a bonus added to them from a 400 year plus that allowed them to shine more. The Arrancar case in point with the Deus Ex Mechina and whatnot, so by simply adding a special mix to all three of the races should allow them to stand up a little.

We already decided this to and are in the process of doing that.

2) Plot keys. By making those races keys to a certain plot of event, that will focus the attention in their direction, making people wish to become included more often. Shinigami and Arrancar/Humans are somewhat neutral points because all three races can do anything and be anywhere so they play well in nearly ANY plot, so by making Mod souls, Hollow, ect keys in their own fashion, it'll make them stand out more.

Already doing that if you read the thread as well. Getting a Quincy Org and another Quincy Team, Evolving the Mod Soul's and Hollow's are getting ramped up.

3) Remove/Hybrid. What this means is in the case of the Hollow, apply it closer to the Arrancar race, so the Hollow form looks closer to that of a Shikai to people, and Bankai is the Arrancar form, allowing EVERYONE to start Hollow first, then they must evolve into an Arrancar, just like Vizards have to start as Shinigami. Ya dig?

We are in the process of revamping the template, but we'd need a suitable amount of Arrancar before we start making people start off from Hollow. Such as with Shinigami at first were allowed Bankai, then when their numbers increased we limited it and now we are gonna limit Shikai eventually. So that will be done in due time.

4) Staff plays those characters and incorperates them into a main character, as to advertise and display potential. People are going to follow the staff and what they have, in hopes of being like them. Because of this, if we were to play those small fries, then that would show they hold potential and people would see their power. If you play them, they will come~

We are in the process of this with Quincy, Mod Soul and Hollow's now. So that's being done as well thanks to this thread.

All in all, I think you were pretty late to this party, but thanks for the input anyway. Hurry up and get ya' mojo back mate.

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Genpaku's Reply

With the issue being popularity, raising the power and acceptance tiers of the races may not be the answer we’re looking for. Sure, people would be interested in getting a strong character, but if it isn’t one they’re interested in making, then eventually their interest will taper off and the character(s) will fall into disuse. That being said, I think it’s important that its shown, not just said, that characters from every race can and do stand on equal footing with one another. People forget that when they make a hollow, they aren’t making the cannon fodder beings that get slaughtered; they are making a intelligent hollow(typically) that is capable of causing much more damage than the drones we use for other posts. The issue isn’t in power, because that balance issue has already been worked out; it lies in interest itself.

I can pretty much agree with this idea. Most people really don't realize they are creating their own powerful, intelligent and skilled hollow's that are different from the drones that get killed in the anime.

People like Shinigami because they’re the main antagonist of the show, and the show is what gets people interested in this community in the first place. Now, we can all hold our breath for Kubo to do something interesting with the Quincy, Mod Souls, Hollows, and so on, or we can come up with something different. I’m done holding my breath, just in case people haven’t noticed.

Beyond Shinigami and Human being that premier races of Bleach though, they possess other factors that make them more attractive to play than Hollows, Quincys, and Mod Souls. Kidou, the different Hado arts, the nigh infinite possibilities of Human powers and Zanpaku-tou abilities. The quincy arts are incredibly limited(as in we only know of a few of them, and that probably isn’t going to change until/unless Quincys become important again), people forget that Hollows by their very nature have the same infiniteness of possibilities with their “natural” abilities. Power and Money are decent incentives, but what people are looking for is impact.

Agree'd once again. I believe the general will of this thread is to modify the current races and give it that Platinum Hearts Spice up it needs.

So maybe the Hollows need to launch a full scale assault of Soul Society? Maybe the Mod Souls need to stage an uprising? Maybe the Quincys need to do something sufficiently bad ass? All possibilities, but I think it’s important to note another thing; organization size. The Gotei is a larger organization(I’m talking about the organization’s scope not site population) than most of the other orgs. There is more room for people to be a part of. So is the answer to make all of the orgs just as big? That’s how we end up with organizations looking half empty. Maybe we need to scale down the size of organizations then?

Yes, I to have also been thinking of lowering the amount of positions in some orgs so people can actually fill them up instead of making all these huge ass ranks and what not. We will also be making a Quincy Org, The Mod Souls will be making their return and Hollow's are gonna be heavily related to the Nuevo Espada. I believe something great will come of this.

So once again, I agree with you on the whole issue.

I’m just tossing around different ideas that have come to mind thus far. Part of me would toss up a few other arguments, however. Is it a good idea to try and increase the popularity of these races? Already, we have so many characters on this site; as of the census that UHCM took, 219 characters apparently that are active. This becomes an issue when we do full site events; how do you fit all of those characters into a thread or two? I agree its an issue that there are so many more Shinigami and Humans than the rest of the races(50% of the site is those 2 races after all), but I think that simply putting limiters on the acceptance rates and strength of Shinigamis and humans might be enough to dissuade most.

As far as events go, we NEVER hold them in one or two threads anymore. Yes, the Main Events start in one or two, but eventually when more people join we split them off into multiple sub threads like we did during the last main storyline event. There will be no more having events in one or two threads, that shit just isn't possible unless it's done in small numbers.

And like I said before, I'm already in the process of limiting Shikai in most Shinigami apps. In fact, after this, I may go and disable that for new characters unless they can show quality work. I also hope to rise the numbers of most other races so everything is balanced and what not.

Also, there is an issue of canon characters; the Gotei has more surviving members from the show than any other organization. Last I checked, the only surviving original Espada members were Grimmjow and Ulquiorra(and only cause he was brought back from the dead). Demons, Iramasha, Ziamichi, and Sugiura are all custom races that can’t have any canon characters, and the Mod Souls and Quincys have 1 and 2 respectively, unless you count those 3 mod souls that Urahara made back during one of the filler arcs and that hung around for the very very very beginning of the Arrancar arc before fading into obscurity and oblivion. How many of the Shinigami are holdovers from the show?

Yeah, out of all the races, Shinigami have the most living characters. I was seriously considering bringing back some of the old Espada since it seemed like a good idea. Yammy never really died, allowing Harribel to return after surviving her wounds from Aizen, and Barrragin to be used in Touketsu's plot with Death. So I may make another thread about bringing them back.

I think there are some good ideas in this thread already, so take what I was saying with a grain of salt. Overall, if we’re looking for incentive to play Hollows, Quincys, Mod Souls, and even Sugiuras, I think we need to show those races having some success and leaving an impact on the site history. Demons are the third ranked race on site right now, and you know what they did? They FUCKING INVADED SOUL SOCIETY with Ender. Have any of the “low count” races done anything nearly as significant? I think giving some background for those races, and having them leave a footprint in the sites history would go a long way in boosting their popularity.

All in all, I fucking agree with you 100%. This was a fucking solid review and hopefully some more good will come from this.

+1 Karma

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Roiben's Reply

like the idea of an evil vizard organization, and i'm generally surprised that my characters are apart of the minority races. That being said, I suppose I could offer up some suggestions.

Hollow: There needs to be some advantage to starting as a hollow and evolving into an arrancar. Possibly give them a slightly better skill sheet, or a tier bonus, or possibly some kind of extra form. People neglect hollow and go straight for arrancar because they see no benefit in putting the work in their character. I believe if we offer evolution benefits, then more people may be attracted to them.

Indeed, we are already in the process of giving them new abilities and upgrades.

Quincy: I like the idea of giving them their own organization, but I wonder about the final quincy form. I'm not sure how that works on the forum, but I believe that by 2411 quincies would have come up with a way to allow them to use it as a form without losing their quincy powers. It would give quincies something to compete with a bankai/resurreccion, and maybe people would like them better.

Yeah, we are probably gonna do some PH spicing up and give them that form. We'll try to figure out where it goes from there.

Mod-Souls: I'm not even sure what to do with them, and wouldn't really care if they disappeared honestly.

Working on them to.

Evil Vizards group: I elect that Kyle should lead them since it was his idea. If he wouldn't like to lead them, then I would offer up Roiben for the job. Either way, I can start working on the evil vizard organization outline and post it up here in a day or two so we can work it out, change it if necessary, etc. I agree with Tsuna that making some good vizards and some evil vizards would make incorporating them into the sotryline easier, and people might have more motivation to make them.

Yeah, this has been one of the greater idea's of this thread. This Anti-Vizard and Yayjuu group. That project has been fully green lit so go apply if you are ready. It'll be up on the sidebar soon.