Changes to the 0 Division and new managment

I don't get where you're talking about Articles of Confederacy and Constitution, because the Zero Division never had that. What I'm reading is you're mixing external elements of the site with internal RP history to make a completely convoluted statement which is making no sense. I built them to be what I believed them to be because we had no information on the "Cannon" Zero Division when they were constructed and led, so to say that you changed a broken system doesn't make sense when it wasn't broken to begin with. As my Momma always says, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. On top of that we're not building them to be like the Bleach Cannon here, because as I've stated, if we did, it would break a LOT of the site characters and their histories, as well as debunk and create plot holes, thus to stay away from the Cannon side, and sway more towards the custom side is what is preferred. Like Snowball said, to make an elite team that can cover bases of front line offense, or last line defense, as I've had them in the past.

I was referring to the comparison between those two as something old and something new, that was all. And I'm not 'mixing' them. They have been mixed, past tense. For nearly a year now they have been this way. And yes, you are correct. The old Zero Division, no one knew about. Therefore, when the canon zero division appeared, and the PRESENT zero Division had absolutely NOTHING left going for it, no active characters, no nothing, for months, I finally said "f#ck that" and got approval from everyone to make it. It was checked, and was approved as a system that worked, a new system. The fact is that it WAS broken; the Division lacked the knowledge resources that made it a cohesive organization, and in changing it it became more cohesive as a whole, easier to understand, and less random. The way it was set up before left a lot to ambiguity; there were solid reasons for why we decided to change it, and I went through the proper procedures to have that done. I did my research, I did my homework. At the time they were first made, that wasn't possible, but now that it is and it was a time when it made sense to the staff to do so, it was changed.

And Moose, we aren't 'building' it to be like the site Canon. it has been already built. It's not 'interfering' with site canons or other strange reasons quite simply because of the fact that they were built to be AFTER the old one. The old one existed, and was abolished, and then restructured. It was redesigned keeping their core concepts in mind, and it was approved, by staff and then used, by members. It has been like that for nearly a year; and to outwardly deny that or make it seem as if the work has not already been done so to make it that way is quite frankly, erroneous. We can't deny the Canon; because the Canon is the facts of how the universe is set up. WE can't copy it either, due to how it works, but we can get as close as possible. I never said that their old history was abolished or changed. The only way it could make 'plot holes' is if someone would consider it to be their right to have it always be exactly ONE WAY. However, it is not just that one way, and it has been changed to something that is different from before.

Lastly, they cannot be last-line defense AND front-line attacking. If you spend your resources on one, then what's the good of the other? However, they are also the ace in the hole, the final retainers; so they would be more inclined towards defense. That's how the Zero Division that the site currently has installed operates, and its operations have not caused any bumps or ridges that go against what the members are attempting to accomplish.

But we're all being professional here, and you see no one else inputting their signature on the end of their posts. I'm not saying you're as pompous as the last guy who did it, I'm just saying it isn't necessary in this case as we're all carrying this discussion together, and we don't need a representation finish.

...I tried doing everything casually, once upon a time. I learned a long time ago that it just doesn't get things done unless you give people reason to notice what you are telling them. If ou regard it as pompous or anything else, that's your problem; I'm doing it only to maintain a complete stance that does not allow in emotions, but only logic, and the eventual truth.

But you do know the Soul King can take care of himself right? The guy on this site took care of Kin Iramasha, a 0-1! In that sense, he doesn't need Guards that much anymore, but instead can command his own respected force to perform tasks to his bidding. I can see that change from the past, because Ceon was Leading the Zero Division when Kin attacked, and after the Soul King proved he can fight for himself/herself it can constitute a change for the Zero Division from being Guards to instead becoming an elite task force. Which means instead of being purely offense or defense, they can perform tasks as requested by their Commander in Chief, the Soul King. They don't need to be a Last Defense as much anymore as well because the Gotei has gotten LIGHT YEARS stronger since when Ceon ran it, and with powerhouses like Tsubasa, Ibiki, Zeda, Wolf, and more on the way, it's making the Zero Division's objective of Defense a bit void. So instead of scrapping them, they now perform tasks as the Elite Military Task Force that they are in conjunction of the Soul King's requests. They can provide Military support for the Gotei when requests, go on Offensive tasks to ensure stability in the Living Realm, or even act as a Last Defense for an allied Organization the Soul King would name a necessity. There is a lot of potential in a slight rework to better fit their CURRENT needs, instead of the Cannon alignment which doesn't make sense, and has them sitting around all day doing nothing. Also if changes are to be made, there need to be historical evidence that proves a change is needed, and warrens said change. There was nothing that the Zero Division has done to require a change like what was presented, and instead from what is being presented to the Zero Division, they should instead change to better fit the Demand of the Soul King, instead of acting like his over glorified babysitters.

As I am sure that the Canon Soul King can. That Kin fought him, indeed, makes me wonder how the Zero Division of old allowed him to get that far; has it not occurred to anyone that perhaps the reason why the Soul King has the guard is that he has some reason WHY he would not involve himself personally in most affairs of combat? A king doesn't fight the knights. He has his own knights for that. He may parley with another king over certain matters, but the Soul King I highly doubt would see most people as that. 'Guards anymore', therefore, is meaningless in this topic; I believe were are supposed to believe that the Soul King has always worn his big boy pants; and yet, he had them before, just as the plot holes that would be created if they did not exist show, do they not? If they were meaningless before and did not exist, then I say the same should be true now. However, if there was ar easno for them to exist then and they were existing, then they should continue to exist, because there IS a reason. Is that not logical?

I agree, the Gotei has powerhouses. You know, as well, who else were powerhouses? SHunsui, Ukitake... Soi Fon can kill a person in two strikes. Yoruichi's shunko is quite frankly terrifying; Ryujin Jakka, Gin's Bankai... The fact that the gotei is full of powerhouse captains is not a new fact, so I don't see how that has a link to the current conversation, as the Zero Division's relationship to the Gotei's own powerlevels should still reflect their natures as two separate groups. The present Zero Division does have some things of the past; it is different, but shares some qualities, such as their end goal. At the same time, things have been approved as changes. So then, their reason as defense is void? Then let that be determined through seeing them in action, rather than through conjecutre. The rest of the universe hasn't been sitting on its a## for millenia. Any person who looks at Shadowfall or K-World knows that there are also EXTREMELY POWERFUL forces that are opposed to the goals of the Seireitei; so to call them void would mean they were always void. Both realities cannot be the truth; and as in the past they had a reason to exist and that purpose of defense to fulfill, so they maintain it now.

Finally, what we know of the Soul King says nothing about him desiring offense. In the site history, it may have been construed that he did so. However, also in keeping in line with the Canon that our very site springs from, he never summoned them to fight Aizen when he was still weak inside of the Seireitei, he never summoned them to combat the Ryoka that were turning the Soul Society on its head, captains fighting captains, utter madness everywhere. Overall, he has only called them to do something like that with such rarity that it is not something that one can truly expect of them to do; that is what the evidence has shown from my studies and was approved by the staff in the present Zero Division. There was a thread set up in staff board as a record of it before it went online; it was archived after it had gone into effect and now resides in the staff archives. The set up of the Zero Division is the one we have at this moment in time, and it has been like this for nearly a year. That is the present truth of it; it has been changed from some of its old truths to best reflect what is proper for it, and significant thought and work was put into it to make it workable for the site to use as a resource once again, with a set-up that was accessible and organized.

Now, yes, I would normally sign off right now, because I feel it would be appropriate to make sure that there is a proper ending to the discussion I have presented to the thread. My thoughts are done for now.

Curious question, why are we re-doing the zero division with this? The Zero division isn't active, but if people genuinely like this "I AM ABOVE ZE LAW" Shinigami death squad...why not just make an "I AM ABOVE ZE LAW" Shinigami death squad without giving it the zero division name? The only reason I can think of is name recognition...which isn't working for the current zero division anyway.

Just an honest opinion more about the debaters rather than the debate itself, as I feel to some extent it should be pointed out, the conversation seems to be going more and more towards a sentimental discussion rather than the verdict on Zero Division and how said verdict would better the site in some way. I'd understand that's inevitable to get heated about something like this, especially with Moose having run it for a such a long time, and JJ being the current person who's 'in charge' of its management, but to be frank, from a bystander and member's point of view, its begun to seem more like defending each's way of running the org/team and imposing it at the same time, for lack of a better word. Of course, it's natural to do so, but again, what I want to point out is that the debate is beginning to look more like an argument of whose way is better or not, in more childish manner-- like, "I'm running/I ran it better, so we best do it like I did". I feel like what I'm saying might be a bit confusing, as partially what I'm pointing out is what's supposed to happen in a debate, but to restate my original thesis in an easy way to understand, basically:

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what I'm seeing is a debate beginning to become an argument of "I did it better" with too much sentiment.

Of course, that's only my point of view on the current situation. Now on to my opinion about Zero Division itself, for whatever weight it carries. I might have missed a few things already addressed and agreed, thus needing no restatement, as I'm going off of memory here, so pardon me.

I personally think that it best be either sent to the Teams, or archived 'til a later time. I'm fairly certain most everyone is in agreement of the lack of activity with Zero Division being one of the largest problems, thus bringing to light other details that could be fine, but with lack of activity are being debated-- as a matter of fact, I think activity's a problem with all orgs right now, but I digress. Before being reformed or anything, I think the Zero Div being put away temporarily would be better.

I kind of went in circles in the last paragraph, but I think it got my thoughts across.... Moving on, what I'm seeing is a larger argument on the history of the Zero Div and what it is now, especially regarding the differences between site-canon and the original.

IMO, regardless of what it was, and what it is now, I've yet to see Zero Division doing anything-- in fact, even with my leaves from the site and returns, between those gaps I don't think i've seen zero division do much. Now, one might argue that a lot of orgs are having issues with a lack of activity, based on what I've seen. Of course, there are people IN orgs/teams doing stuff currently, but aside from Gotei, I don't see much activity going on with the groups acting as a whole, or at least with sub-groups/divisions within the orgs doing something collaborated. However, I've already seen a few movements, though they might be small, taking place, and there are indeed orgs (as far as I know) who have taken a part in current times (such as AU), though I feel like I'm just spounting out already known information uselessly. Other orgs have already gotten revamps, such as Monsuta (I see a V2 on it from relatively recent). My point is that I have yet to see Zero Div doing as much as some other orgs, and for the past two years, as much as I may recall--feel free to correct me-;thus, right now, Zero Div being recognized as a group in itself is more or less redundant, also for a lack of a better word.

Moving on to what would seem good for the Zero Div to perhaps attract activity, as well as a betterment to the site, is indeed the adaptation from being simply one that answers to the Soul King in terms of their similarities to the original zero div, to a new one that fits the site's current timeline now. Looking less at the history of Zero Division, whether Ceon had changed the division, or the division right now has reverted back, what would seem best is what Moose had suggested: the change of the division from being simply to protect the soul king, to taking missions from him and going out there and doing something.

A change of directive might also get some sort of plots flowing that include the Zero Division in more than just the individual members threading somewhere-- it might bring about something that includes the Division as a whole, more or less, thereby bringing more purpose to its existence in the current timeline.

I'm fairly sure my take on this made adequate sense, and that I got my point across-- course, if what I said didn't seem relevant, my apologies. I tried :I

Otherwise, to summarize without the in-depth commentary, Zero Div should either be put away for now/ go into "teams", or reformed to a way where they can serve some purpose to the current times of PH, instead of sitting by the Soul King whose yet to make any movements requiring protecting, or received any movements in which he then requires protection.


ANOTHER THOUGHT~ perhaps they keep the need to protect the Soul King as simply another task (of course), but not making it their sole role, being cooped up in wherever they were. Thus, they receive some reform, but are still taking care of their original duties.

This is going to be my last post as points are being ignored and is now starting to turn into a problem. This will be my last time trying to get a point across till Frost makes the poll and we can move on, because if this carries on it'll be good for no one, and nothing will get done. I'm going to do last replies and try to get points across one last time for the sake of improvement, instead of the sake of argument.

I was referring to the comparison between those two as something old and something new, that was all. And I'm not 'mixing' them. They have been mixed, past tense. For nearly a year now they have been this way. And yes, you are correct. The old Zero Division, no one knew about. Therefore, when the canon zero division appeared, and the PRESENT zero Division had absolutely NOTHING left going for it, no active characters, no nothing, for months, I finally said "f#ck that" and got approval from everyone to make it. It was checked, and was approved as a system that worked, a new system. The fact is that it WAS broken; the Division lacked the knowledge resources that made it a cohesive organization, and in changing it it became more cohesive as a whole, easier to understand, and less random. The way it was set up before left a lot to ambiguity; there were solid reasons for why we decided to change it, and I went through the proper procedures to have that done. I did my research, I did my homework. At the time they were first made, that wasn't possible, but now that it is and it was a time when it made sense to the staff to do so, it was changed.

And Moose, we aren't 'building' it to be like the site Canon. it has been already built. It's not 'interfering' with site canons or other strange reasons quite simply because of the fact that they were built to be AFTER the old one. The old one existed, and was abolished, and then restructured. It was redesigned keeping their core concepts in mind, and it was approved, by staff and then used, by members. It has been like that for nearly a year; and to outwardly deny that or make it seem as if the work has not already been done so to make it that way is quite frankly, erroneous. We can't deny the Canon; because the Canon is the facts of how the universe is set up. WE can't copy it either, due to how it works, but we can get as close as possible. I never said that their old history was abolished or changed. The only way it could make 'plot holes' is if someone would consider it to be their right to have it always be exactly ONE WAY. However, it is not just that one way, and it has been changed to something that is different from before.

Lastly, they cannot be last-line defense AND front-line attacking. If you spend your resources on one, then what's the good of the other? However, they are also the ace in the hole, the final retainers; so they would be more inclined towards defense. That's how the Zero Division that the site currently has installed operates, and its operations have not caused any bumps or ridges that go against what the members are attempting to accomplish.

You can't really say you built a system that works if we are in this situation that we are in now. Defending a broken bicycle doesn't mean it works, it's still a broken bicycle. We are here to improve and get the bike working, not talk about what we think "Works" and does not to defend our craftsmanship. Also to state you did your homework and research doesn't work for me because there are a lot of voids I'm catching that prove research wasn't done. There is a law in the universe stated as Cause and Affect. There needs to be a cause which would merit the affect taken to reconstruct something. I've stated in posts before that History shows the 0 Division is nothing like it is now, and for it to change out of the blue does not make sense. There needs to be a cause which would constitute said change and without one doesn't make any lick of sense. As well as the case of Canon, the system now is a mock of the Canon, as it has represented individuals of their mastered skill/expertise. Master of Realms, and other roles as such state that they're a dynamic contributor to the stated position and would be considered no greater in said role. That is just a mirrored representation of the canon. Putting lipstick on a pig still makes it ugly man, you can't cover up what another does, it's just a fancy method of plagiarism. Upon Front and Last line, yes it is entirely possible through strategist performance and mobilization. Even in the world we live in, there are units known as first in, last out. It happens, and there are times when you can set half for the front line for the least sense of casualty, and the last line to ensure final stand. That is what the Zero Division was in many different cases depending on the situation, so you can't say it cannot happen, when it has. Going back to research and homework, you gotta know these things when taking action. Don't be afraid to dip into others wisdom for probable cause and affect.

As I am sure that the Canon Soul King can. That Kin fought him, indeed, makes me wonder how the Zero Division of old allowed him to get that far; has it not occurred to anyone that perhaps the reason why the Soul King has the guard is that he has some reason WHY he would not involve himself personally in most affairs of combat? A king doesn't fight the knights. He has his own knights for that. He may parley with another king over certain matters, but the Soul King I highly doubt would see most people as that. 'Guards anymore', therefore, is meaningless in this topic; I believe were are supposed to believe that the Soul King has always worn his big boy pants; and yet, he had them before, just as the plot holes that would be created if they did not exist show, do they not? If they were meaningless before and did not exist, then I say the same should be true now. However, if there was ar easno for them to exist then and they were existing, then they should continue to exist, because there IS a reason. Is that not logical?

Again, that history thing I said, if you'd follow their history you'd know what happened. In the Kin Assault, Kin was able to waltz past the 0 Division because Claire was able to play with them all solo. She kept them all occupado while Kin just made his way to the Soul King to challenge him. The Soul Society is Claire's favorite place because it's like a mold-able playground and she was able to fight them all on her own while Kin made his way to the Soul King. It wasn't till the Soul King banished Kin that Claire freaked out and ran, forcing the rest of the Kokuryuteshi to retreat, and Claire began the preparations of Kin's return. But also at the same time, this could be one step to constitute that Cause and Affect I just mentioned. The Soul King made it aware to all he didn't "Need" guards, but instead shows that the 0 Division was more instead a specialized task force under his/her personal command. They perform tasks that are outside Gotei specs, due to the Gotei being more a police force of the Seretei, as well as avoiding all political propaganda presented by Central 46. Think of them as Seal Team 6 for the Soul King to do his/her dirty deeds whenever he/she demands.

I agree, the Gotei has powerhouses. You know, as well, who else were powerhouses? SHunsui, Ukitake... Soi Fon can kill a person in two strikes. Yoruichi's shunko is quite frankly terrifying; Ryujin Jakka, Gin's Bankai... The fact that the gotei is full of powerhouse captains is not a new fact, so I don't see how that has a link to the current conversation, as the Zero Division's relationship to the Gotei's own powerlevels should still reflect their natures as two separate groups. The present Zero Division does have some things of the past; it is different, but shares some qualities, such as their end goal. At the same time, things have been approved as changes. So then, their reason as defense is void? Then let that be determined through seeing them in action, rather than through conjecutre. The rest of the universe hasn't been sitting on its a## for millenia. Any person who looks at Shadowfall or K-World knows that there are also EXTREMELY POWERFUL forces that are opposed to the goals of the Seireitei; so to call them void would mean they were always void. Both realities cannot be the truth; and as in the past they had a reason to exist and that purpose of defense to fulfill, so they maintain it now.

Yes there were powerhouses in the past, but once again, history. You need to know that in the PH past, there were times of low and high captain participation, and when in dire need of help, there was a defense force that came to their call. In the time of Aizen, nearly the entire group of Captains in the Gotei were defeated, thus prompting the call for support, and action was taken. When Kin assaulted, Kin and Claire skipped the Gotei due to a little trick Kin had in his arsenal the Gotei never knew about. Not only that, but while history has been made, the future is unknown for who we currently have. While it is true the Gotei has powerhouses, and even K-World does, it doesn't mean the 0 Division is useless. For example, Kin has a Shadow, correct? That's his special "0 Division" because even though he has powerhouses in his court, as well as a powerful assistance and Daughter (That apparently just yesterday beat the 0 Division and Gotei lol@Frost), she still has a powerful member by his side for his own ensured protection, or to perform requests without question. In a way, the Zero Division is the Soul King's Shadow.

Finally, what we know of the Soul King says nothing about him desiring offense. In the site history, it may have been construed that he did so. However, also in keeping in line with the Canon that our very site springs from, he never summoned them to fight Aizen when he was still weak inside of the Seireitei, he never summoned them to combat the Ryoka that were turning the Soul Society on its head, captains fighting captains, utter madness everywhere. Overall, he has only called them to do something like that with such rarity that it is not something that one can truly expect of them to do; that is what the evidence has shown from my studies and was approved by the staff in the present Zero Division. There was a thread set up in staff board as a record of it before it went online; it was archived after it had gone into effect and now resides in the staff archives. The set up of the Zero Division is the one we have at this moment in time, and it has been like this for nearly a year. That is the present truth of it; it has been changed from some of its old truths to best reflect what is proper for it, and significant thought and work was put into it to make it workable for the site to use as a resource once again, with a set-up that was accessible and organized.

Dude, they have been mobilized. I stated they have, but not by the Soul King's approval but instead by the General of the Zero Division. Aizen is dead because of the Zero Division. The Captain vs Captain uprising didn't involve the Zero Division because the Gotei was able to handle it with low casualty, and all that jazz. Your evidence is showing you don't know the 0 Division history and are just trying to use the Canon setup as a proxy for the current set up. Now, the Cause and Affect thing can take place again here as it is shown in history that the Zero Division performs more on their own accord over the Soul King's direction, so they can be set as a different team, outside of Central 46 influence. Now while I understand you set up a thread with approval from others, but we're all human beings and we all make mistakes, but current evidence shows this system doesn't currently work. There needs to be some modifications and changes to not only fit the site lore, but the approval of everyone to better fit the RP nomenclature. Now yes, each organization has its highs and lows, and the 0 Division has had its lows and people tend to scramble where the strong characters are. People want to develop with site "Pillars" as the "Pillar" characters are where development begin and grow. The 0 Division had a high when there used to be 3 Pillar characters in there alone. Right now, there are no Pillar characters there (Except Izanagi who is building more around family instead of organization). Another example of a Pillar is Neviah. Nakami, Eliah, Krystia are all developing around Neviah as she represents a Pillar for other characters to grow, and thus become pillars themselves. There will be highs and lows in all orgs, but before we can even look forward to the high of the Zero Division, there needs to be some bug fixes first.

Curious question, why are we re-doing the zero division with this? The Zero division isn't active, but if people genuinely like this "I AM ABOVE ZE LAW" Shinigami death squad...why not just make an "I AM ABOVE ZE LAW" Shinigami death squad without giving it the zero division name? The only reason I can think of is name recognition...which isn't working for the current zero division anyway.

We kinda have that, it's called the Omnitsukido lol. Give 'em a try, you might like 'em. Only difference is that they work for the 2nd Division lol. The thing is, the Zero Division is kinda like the "Shadow" of the Soul King and whatnot and they're a part of site lore, thus I want them to be aligned with site lore. Just tryin to fix some problems s'all.

Just an honest opinion more about the debaters rather than the debate itself, as I feel to some extent it should be pointed out, the conversation seems to be going more and more towards a sentimental discussion rather than the verdict on Zero Division and how said verdict would better the site in some way. I'd understand that's inevitable to get heated about something like this, especially with Moose having run it for a such a long time, and JJ being the current person who's 'in charge' of its management, but to be frank, from a bystander and member's point of view, its begun to seem more like defending each's way of running the org/team and imposing it at the same time, for lack of a better word. Of course, it's natural to do so, but again, what I want to point out is that the debate is beginning to look more like an argument of whose way is better or not, in more childish manner-- like, "I'm running/I ran it better, so we best do it like I did". I feel like what I'm saying might be a bit confusing, as partially what I'm pointing out is what's supposed to happen in a debate, but to restate my original thesis in an easy way to understand, basically:

Trust me you're not alone in this. I grow very tired of how a discussion turns into a debate, into an argument. I never wanted this to be an argument, I just wanted to get a couple points across and present room for improvement is all. It's why this is my last post on the subject as I grow weary of many things right now (Excluding my personal affairs in the world of Deployment lol). Either way, don't worry about this taking a negative affect, as there are people who will ensure that people don't over-react over a simple discussion.

I personally think that it best be either sent to the Teams, or archived 'til a later time. I'm fairly certain most everyone is in agreement of the lack of activity with Zero Division being one of the largest problems, thus bringing to light other details that could be fine, but with lack of activity are being debated-- as a matter of fact, I think activity's a problem with all orgs right now, but I digress. Before being reformed or anything, I think the Zero Div being put away temporarily would be better.

I kind of went in circles in the last paragraph, but I think it got my thoughts across.... Moving on, what I'm seeing is a larger argument on the history of the Zero Div and what it is now, especially regarding the differences between site-canon and the original.

I see you're mostly in cooperation with Frost with this manner, as it's true if made into a team it could be easier to manage, and also if just disbanded, it would be like taking away a toy till the kids settled down for later use. Haha. But you're right in a sense that all orgs are in a bit of a lull, and that's mainly due to low activity of events and whatnot, which is in good reason (As it's preparation for some slight inactivity), but also the Gotei is actually in a high for activity since orgs will sometimes flux up and down in activity depending on the state of the current RP universe. Gotei is up, Kokuryuteshi is up (a little bit) as well as rogue individuals, and others are down. Time makes activity rotate, as nothing can be on a high forever, ya know?

IMO, regardless of what it was, and what it is now, I've yet to see Zero Division doing anything-- in fact, even with my leaves from the site and returns, between those gaps I don't think i've seen zero division do much. Now, one might argue that a lot of orgs are having issues with a lack of activity, based on what I've seen. Of course, there are people IN orgs/teams doing stuff currently, but aside from Gotei, I don't see much activity going on with the groups acting as a whole, or at least with sub-groups/divisions within the orgs doing something collaborated. However, I've already seen a few movements, though they might be small, taking place, and there are indeed orgs (as far as I know) who have taken a part in current times (such as AU), though I feel like I'm just spounting out already known information uselessly. Other orgs have already gotten revamps, such as Monsuta (I see a V2 on it from relatively recent). My point is that I have yet to see Zero Div doing as much as some other orgs, and for the past two years, as much as I may recall--feel free to correct me-;thus, right now, Zero Div being recognized as a group in itself is more or less redundant, also for a lack of a better word.

I concur that they have been on a downward trot after I had my main character depart from them before my last attempted retirement. Even in my return they've looked dead, but it is to my belief that it's because of my previously stated "Pillars". The 3 former Pillars of the 0 when I ran it were Ceon, Midori, and Tsubine. Ceon deserted the 0 because Midori disappeared, and he went in search of her. Tsubine departed because I think his entire character went through a re-work for a better attempt at fucking some other characters, so idfk. Fact is, when your story leads disappear from a group, the rest kinda fall apart. Honestly, if I would have known that it was going to fall apart like it did, I would have kept Ceon there to keep the group running, but what is past, is past. Ya know?

Moving on to what would seem good for the Zero Div to perhaps attract activity, as well as a betterment to the site, is indeed the adaptation from being simply one that answers to the Soul King in terms of their similarities to the original zero div, to a new one that fits the site's current timeline now. Looking less at the history of Zero Division, whether Ceon had changed the division, or the division right now has reverted back, what would seem best is what Moose had suggested: the change of the division from being simply to protect the soul king, to taking missions from him and going out there and doing something.

A change of directive might also get some sort of plots flowing that include the Zero Division in more than just the individual members threading somewhere-- it might bring about something that includes the Division as a whole, more or less, thereby bringing more purpose to its existence in the current timeline.

Exactly! We need story driven characters to attract the others to produce activity. One good example is Izanagi, a character from the past 0 Divisions, and he has a built that allows him to create development and involve others. He is becoming a pillar in the respect of the Family that is being built, but he can also carry that to the Zero Division as well. Also thank you for your understanding, as to me, changes need to be warranted by cause and affect. Things in the past happened like this, thus this change was made to better the affect. I got the idea from Frost actually when we were comparing the Zero Division to real life Military Forces (I'm in the Military), but due to the Soul King proving that he's capable of taking care of himself, and that the Zero Division really is Shinigami with special capabilities, they can be used as a specialized task force from the command of the Soul King. That was Frost's idea, not mine, but I love it as it plays from Cause and Affect of site history, removing plot holes and keeping the Zero Division Integrity up.

Otherwise, to summarize without the in-depth commentary, Zero Div should either be put away for now/ go into "teams", or reformed to a way where they can serve some purpose to the current times of PH, instead of sitting by the Soul King whose yet to make any movements requiring protecting, or received any movements in which he then requires protection.


ANOTHER THOUGHT~ perhaps they keep the need to protect the Soul King as simply another task (of course), but not making it their sole role, being cooped up in wherever they were. Thus, they receive some reform, but are still taking care of their original duties.

Thank you for your input, as I'm sure an additional outside opinion from myself, as well as JJ's or anyone from the past/current Zero Division lineup can use your statement to better build the Division around the total need of PH. But on your Afterthought that is fine, as there are even positions within the Air Force that are for title only, when performing other duties. The "Color Guard" for example protects the Colors, when in reality, it doesn't need protection, it's strictly for presentation. Now I'm not saying the Zero Division is to sit around and look pretty for show (That would suck), but perhaps their Mission Statement could be to Preserve and Protect the Soul King and All Below Him/Her, while their actual mission is to perform the duties outlined by the Soul King. Either way, that isn't entirely impossible.

Anyways, as a reminder, this is my last post on the subject. I'll speak again when we get to the next step, but I hope this gets my point across in why I believe things need to change for certain reasons. I'm sure Frost will be getting a poll up soon to better get the staff overall, but till then lets just keep what we've all said in our minds and consider the pros and cons of all for the better improvement of the Zero. This isn't about us, it's about Site Integrity for the better RP experience.

Thanks~