Face Claim-

Woah, woah, WOAH

Let's just hold on a minute before pointing fingers at people. I'm not sure if I typed what I said correctly, given it was early in the morning when I saw all of this, but I wasn't singling out anyone from the replies I'm getting. From what I understood, me and Aivee were good friends and I don't have a singular issue with her in general. You all are getting a bit too aggressive about this with me. To me, Aiv is just the greatest offender of that BECAUSE she has so many.

BUT! JJ can be used as a good example as well. I never said anything about taking away characters, I just felt something should be addressed or done about it to prevent mishaps like this form occurring in the future. Reading the input from Frost's post, I can agree to some of those improvements he suggested and I think I may have read something wrong from the other staff post. And taking a note from Frost's post, I'll put this in bold. I thought this was TALKING ABOUT FACECLAIMS IN GENERAL.

In which case, I believe all people who take up this many claims should be investigated to an extent to see if they are actively using it, sharing them correctly and see if they can take up space. I also think staff should look more into inactive claims from the Activity Checks and ensure those who have long left that aren't on LC Claims get their stuff removed for newcomers. So you guys need to COOL IT DOWN a bit before jumping my case. So I'd appreciate it, Kake, if you tone down the insults before you yourself find yourself getting cursed out in a public xat.

All in all, I just hope this gets resolved and the members who were complaining about this get heard out properly. We'll just have to wait and see.

Okay, I'm sticking my opinion in here, so let's get rolling. Shizuo, what the hell is wrong with you? Why on earth would you stir up drama like this? Jesus, why, just why???? First off, as others have said, Aivee has a ton of characters, 100+ of them. 306 face claims is pretty tame in my opinion. Then, let's get in to the whole deal with sharing. Aivee is involved in 2/3 of ALL shares, both pending and approved. Looking at the approved shares, NO ONE, absolutely no one, is involved in more then 3 shares. Come on, seriously?? I don't see you involved in ONE share, don't bitch about it. To top it off, even I got a share from Aivee. This is me, someone who Aivee is constantly telling me to stop making characters, and improving my current ones. Don't tell me that she is hoarding face claims, why on earth would she put up a share with me if she was hoarding, heck it would be an easy way to shut down my creative front on that character.

Wait WAIT hold the hell up yall, Shizuo is Getting In a Just God No mood. !

Anyways, let me make a few things clear here and now, as it seems that the intention of this thread is going to utter bullpoopy, not quite something and i quote again for stress, absolutely not what i intended nor exactly what i wanted in the absolute first place, which is why i am going to be putting in some RULES , to keep things civil as the OP, i feel some responsibility for bringing up this subject and trusting that it wouldn't get out of hand, i mean when frost has to get into this guys, well then thats just going to be way to much of a rage here. So without further Ado let me clearly give some order to this chaos.

oh and by posting in this thread you are hereby agreeing to the terms below, SO , lets be civil.

Rule 1: Do not bring the thread conversation outside the thread especially into main chat, this is to prevent rage clusterfucks in the Xat as a whole, the Private Chats are fine but, Keep it to Pc because mods have been complaining and even frost has asked yall to simmer down, thats enough with the first rule.

Rule 2: Keep it civil, you didn't notice me using too many cuss words or even complaining about or repremanding other people, i just was merely commenting on the absurdity of it all, so no one is going around judging EACH OTHER, jesus christ, im just commenting on the FC system as a whole.

Rule 3: NO PINGPONGING BLAME AND TAKING SIDES. i purely want a unbias feeling when regarding the issue, and i repeat I WILL DELETE , this crap or get a mod to do so if in fact this continues, since it has already spread to main and we don't need the blame game going around , as we are adults, not childr-.. Well we are mature men and teenagers and woman, in general.

Rule 4: Do not, give other people shit or accuse people of doing stuff in general , as for the most part i generally do not need to see people when i read this thread blaming others for random shit as a whole, as this thread is meant to help fix a problem NOT give everyone a GOD DAMNED headache.

Rule 5: what ever frost and the moderators says goes there will be a 3 strikes system three posts out of line, and they have whole permission to close this shit down, as then the thread is not serving its purpose.

That is all NOW, BEHAVE -_- 'TABLE FLIP '

Aivee Claim Counter
Note: This is only actual claims, reserves are excluded due to ambiguity of claiming through expiring or permissive means.

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Aivee having over 300 claims?
Evidence: 302
Confirmation: Enough evidence to prove that it is confirmed.

Towards Shizuo

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Towards Betwix

One moment. I need to get myself a burrito.
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Towards Sou-Yuuki

Scary Scary Cute Natsu~

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Towards BlankMystery

Reimu Chibi in HD! 8D

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Towards Forsaken Crow

OW! MY FACE! DX

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Disco-Eyed Shadin! 8D HA! HA! HA! GET INTO DA LIGHT!

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Curse your neko signature, ChaoZi. -_- The Burrito King feels fuzzy now.

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Angry Vegeta...I see ARRRRGH coming in~

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Watch it! She has a stick with papers tied to it! D8 Wait...that is good. 8D Exorcise me, you pretty woman!

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I am neutral in this thread because while I have problems with hoarders, I do not have a problem with Aivee as she is doing the best she can to make it fair for people. It took me so long to write this post because I have to consider so many people who posted here while I also wanted to add some humor to lighten the load of the drama. Though I regrettably cannot say for those who resorted to those who would resort to force, aggression, insults and singling out people over one offset motivation that has no relations to the main issue. I'm all for social reforms such as exercising communication, freedom, and ingenuity to find other ways to avoid the drama-llama. In the previous responses to previous posters, I am not supporting more rules because it will bite us in the butt later and can only cover the issue, not solve them mostly. If you have a problem with Aivee's claims, talk to Aivee or find a way to contact her and wait for her to give the okay. Perhaps while you wait, you could write down the description to occupy your waiting period, even expand more about your character's potential. If you have other characters already approved, play them for a while and even ask someone to go on an out-of-character thread for jinkies and fun. If it really bothers you, you are free to bring it up and remember to exercise thread mannerisms because you will be needing it for when someone gets aggressive and tried to derail the issue.

All in all, I find no crippling issues in it and it is confirmed that Aivee has over 300 claims as Shizuo claimed in the first post. We should direct attention away from Shizuo and Aivee and look towards the possibility of a bad hoarder, those who hoard and not share at all. I think that is where Shizuo and the others are trying to point out before being slapped by unwanted aggression. It does bother me that we are probably exposed to the chance of a bad hoarder getting into things and mess up our year, but what does not bother me is that Aivee hoards and shares them. That's the best we have for a hoarder and it could have been worse where not a lot of us are willing to share our claims. Hell, I was not willing to share Hitomi from Dead or Alive because Hanako was my first character in Platinum Hearts and still is my main. But now, I am willing to share the Hitomi claim along with other claims that I already have. Just ask me, that is all and I will tell you of the conditions if there is any.

EVIDENCE #1: RURUs.

11. FOR AIVEE'S FACE CLAIMS, GO TO AIVEE.

We realize that the person named Aivee has a lot of Face claims ; however she will generally share ALL of her faces. So if she has a face claimed, do not feel scared, and simply ASK her for a share if you really want the face. It might even be likely she would even GIVE the face to you. So do NOT be afraid to ask her at all. If you do not ASK then you have no right to complain to any other staff member. Doing so generally reflects bad on you; so don't be afraid to engage Aivee in conversation.

And for more in case you're not convinced; https://www.platinumhearts.net/t521-face-claim-list

I don't think I wrote that rule just to have fun; I asked the entirety of the fc staff, which was Tsubine and Chaozi. I doubt Chaozi remembers that, but nevertheless, I doubled checked with them; when a similar issue rose, I put down this rule. Why? Because that way, people would hopefully, stop hounding Frost or other staff, or cause drama issues like this, by simply speaking to me directly, instead of causing a whole he-said, she-said situation, and then further stress on the site. That's why that rule is there; nobody else has 300 claims for 100 characters, but me. That's obvious. But in the end? This rule has done a lot of good.

This member named Tina, and this other one named Draven, one of them walks up to me to ask to share Lethe after Luda told her about the claim, and the other one was using Karen. I shared Lethe with Tina, no problems; and I told Draven about Izayoi Aki from Yugi-oh, whom looks exactly alike, and that I had plans. However, I assured Draven not to panic; I would share the fcs, probably even give. Curious, I was asked why give? And then I blinked and said; ''Well maybe we can plot twins then?'' and Draven LOVED the idea. L.O.V.E.D the idea, and is pestering me about the twin to this day.

Okay so here's how it goes; there are only 3-4 fc's that I will never, ever, ever EVER share. And guess what? here are their names.

Enma Ai from Hell girl, FC of Shisome Saihossoku, my MAIN CHARACTER.
Noel Vermillion and Mu-12 from Blazblue, Unleashed and Alter form fc's of Ketheldrein Leonhardt, a main character I need to finish updating ;w;
and Gasai Yuno from Mirai Nikki. I don't need to explain that Claim, just look at my title rank or just generally look at myself.

The last one is Lilium from a flash by Emi Greneby. She means a lot to me. And by a lot? She has been one of my main fc's for SIX YEARS. I expect people to have some courtesy towards that, such as when I gave Gin back Gin Ichimaru because that is his main character. His name is the damn character's name, but yeah.

5 claims. Out of 300 or so. That I won't share. FIVE. FIVE. and you know what? THOSE FOUR ARE LEGENDARY CLAIMS.

Now, I tend to easily and efficiently share 80% of my claims; because I do understand I have a lot of claims, and a lot of characters. If I don't give you a claim immediately, I generally have to think about it, because we're human and my yandere side is like >NO THE FC IS MINE FUCK OFF!!!!! but yet, I take time to cool-off and think about rationally. ''Which character is this fc on? How important is that character to me? How important is the faceclaim on the character? Can I stand a random share? Or would I be more comfortable with a plotted reason?'' and such. I Do ask myself those questions, and then I give my answer. That's why in the end, I shared several faces in such a way; such as Kushina Uzumaki, which is going to be the Yazaki clan's mother. Or Kazuto Kirigaya, which is my Knight of Swords that belongs to Callisto, and shared him with Yuri, whom then left, and then Kakeru.

I dropped half of Tawny's face claims, for the sake of Sakuya. Whom then never finished the character, left the site, and basically ruined all of the plots I had for her. But yet, I didn't mind; I wanted to make Sakuya happy and not feel pressured about the face claims. I gave up Yue from Cardcaptors to Dai, for Truth, even though it was an important part of Kahen; I played it off as unimportant, because I knew Dai was majorly into the character.

I could name a bunch of other examples but yeah. So it's not like I go ''k I claimed it mine forever!''. I will deny people if I think the claim is important/they wouldn't do a good job with it or that I think their reasons for it are relatively shallow/pretty much a random character just 'cuz. I've denied Blade the share of Morgianna because I didn't want her to turn into another Blade Whore character. (I love you blade btw don't hate me ;w;.) Back then? I was looking at his other characters, and how he was rping them, that I didn't think that it would suit, and that he needed to grow more. It wasn't out of spite or such thing; it was relatively I didn't want blade to believe that making girls like he was, was ok. I probably didn't communicate that very well, since I myself didn't understand it back then; but I know that since then, he's been trying to improve from since then. I can acknowledge that, and I might share now; but I still want to see more. I was trying to make him better, but.. probably he and other people took it the wrong way. At least I get to explain that now, right?

Mmkay, now that's out, I will explain some situations with my characters, that people like to bitch about most often, since they obviously get complained a lot about. But here is how I see things typically, just to give people a clue.

A normal character generally has 1-4 faceclaims. Why? A human, with no powers, generally has 1 faceclaim; a character with a spirit, has 2. A shinigami may have up to 4-5 considering their main apperance, their zanpaktou spirit, their shikai, their bankai and their shikokai. Now, not everyone does so; but it's a possibility. This possibility is present for all races; one for their base form, one for their first, second and third releases, and one for whatever else they may have, such as Spirits, or Ziamichi's etc. That is relatively the norm on the site; it's not always the rule, but it is widely accepted that this is the acceptable norm.

Now, going by this standard, 100 characters = 100 to 500 fc's. That's acceptable yes? Considering the basic layout; however, most commonly, people tend to give 3 fc's to most characters. So that makes it 100 characters = 300 fcs. Simple math right? It's so simple I can do it. Now considering this, let's get my own list underway. These are all CLAIMED fc's; reserves non-withstanding. This list also discounts shares.

SINGLE FC CLAIMS - 41 [41]
TWO FC CLAIMS - 23 [46]
THREE FC CLAIMS 11 [33]
FOUR FCS CLAIMS - 10 [40]
5+ CLAIMS - 14 [156]

Now I gave you all the numbers and category of the log of my fcs that I keep in word pad. The first number is the amount of characters, the second number is the amount of faceclaims in that category. That means that, in my 5+ claims section, I have 14 characters with a whooping amount of 156 fc's amongst each other. Woah. That is a lot ain't it? I bet you're wondering what the hell is in that section. But let's calculate the totals, shan't we? so! 41+46+33+40+156=316. So Across 99 characters, we have 316 face claims. So our estimation of 100-500 fcs for 100 characters falls well within the category; even with the assumption that 1 character has 3 face claims, that makes it just a little bit above the 100 = 300 mark. So that makes sense right?

So those are the cold, hard facts. The numbers; this doesn't count the shares I've already made though. But those are shares; these are face claims that I own. and I won't share only 5 of the, 5/316. Let's get a percentage, shan't we? 1.5% of my claims that I refuse to share; that leaves 98.5% that I WILL Share. Does that help put things into a better perspective towards claims/sharing/how much I own ratio? Well then, now let's address the elephant in the room.



5+ CLAIMS - 14 [156]
^ What the fuck aivee? How do 14 characters share 49.3% of your face claims? Yeah, I know, I was surprised too.. but then I saw whom all those 14 characters were.

Jasper 5fcs
Marama 5fcs
Eira 6fcs
Cynthia 6fcs
Tawny 6fcs
Alice 6fcs
Mayuko 6fcs
Tiamat 6fcs
Yakuin 7fcs

Sassy 13fcs
Tempus 13fcs
Cupcake 18fcs
Ketheldrein 23fcs
Callisto 36fcs

Woah holey snapper nuggets look at dem last five. The ones with 5 fc's are still within my theorized 1-5 faceclaims for a character. Those with 6 often have face claims that have 1-5 pictures, but since they have a series, and they have a name, they must be claimed. 7 was the same way. but 13-36? WHAT THE FLAAAAAAAP AIVEE. Let's take those case by case shan't we?


Sassy Profile | Len's profile - the ever loveable kitten. Now you can read the profile, or you can just look at the tl;dr I'mma give you. Being Len's kitty, she has one of his powers; the color wheel. Basically? She changes looks/powers/personality per each color. Now, here are her claims.

Sarasvati/Kirara Hoshikawa - Kore was Zombie Desu Ka? - Aivee - Black Sassy
Haruna - Kore was Zombie Desu Ka - Aivee - Pink Sassy
Henri - Angelos Arma - Aivee - Clear Sassy
Makoto Nanaya - Blazblue - Aivee - Brown Sassy
Yukikaze Panettone - Dog Days - Aivee - Gold Sassy
Hanekawa Tsubasa [Cat Form] - Monogatari Series - Aivee - Silver Sassy
Chamcham - Samurai Spirits - Aivee - Green Sassy
Lilith Aesland - Capcom - Aivee - Purple Sassy
Fran - Final Fanatsy - Aivee - White Sassy
Gundula Rall - Strike Witches - Aivee - Orange Sassy
Horo/Holo - Spice and Wolf - Aivee - Red Sassy
Astaroth - Shiranbanshou - Aivee - Blue Sassy
Toramaru Shou - Touhou - Aivee - Yellow Sassy

see? one fore each color, no more no less. Disregarding the fact that Sarasvati, at the time, had maybe 10 pictures in total, and Henri has maybe 3-4 that are usable. But yeah, those are her claims currently; and well, Hanekawa? Might get shared with Agito for Misaiko. So that would bring her down to 12; but her powers involve her changing forms, abilities, powers and personalities. That is the exact point of her powers; to match Len when he turns into different colors. Now, Len has 2 fc's for each color if I remember right; you might want to ask JJ for more details.

Next one; Tempus. Link

Belphegor - Katekyo Hitman Reborn - Aivee - Tempus
Mutsumae Ohana - Hanasaku Iroha - Aivee - Ellyann
Lust - FullMetal Alchemist - Aivee - Tempus [Engel]
Envy - FullMetal Alchemist - Aivee - Tempus [Edward]
Mael Strom/Yuki Yoshida - Kore was Zombie Desu Ka? - Aivee - Tempus [Migoto]
Kyoko - Kore was Zombie Desu Ka? - Aivee - Tempus [Tsumeko]
Ariel/Dai-Sensei - Kore was Zombie Desu Ka? - Aivee - Tempus [Latuma]
Akise Aru - Mirai Nikki - Aivee - Tempus [Kihaku]
Matsuda Touta - Death Note - Aivee - Tempus [Francois]
Protagonist - Shin Megami Tensei : Devil Survivor - Aivee - Tempus [Arashi]
Hisoka - Yami no Matusei - Aivee - Tempus [Yaiba]
Subaru - Dot Hack - Aivee - Tempus [Onna no Hime]
Tsukasa - Dot Hack - Aivee - Tempus [Otoko no Ouji]

Those are his claims. Now, how many of these are truly popular? Belphegor, Lust and Envy. possibly Akise, Protagonist and Ohana. The rest? I've never seen claimed. Ever. The Kore wa ones were pretty much underground until I got them, Hisoka is from a yaoi. Subaru/Tsukasa have feels, yes, but they have so little fanart that nobody claims them. So the next question is ''why this many?'' well tempus's ability/concept is Big Brother. More or less, he's able to shift into different forms, identities with his DID, and then melds into society. Subaru and Tsukasa are two of his Spirits; and Ohana is a third. He IS a Ziamichi Iramasha. So that makes sense yes? Considering his character concept and such.


Cupcake is next! Cupcake has 18 fcs. Jeebus right? File link
Pinkie Pie - My Little Pony : Friendship is Magic - Aivee - Cupcake
Black Lady - Sailor Moon - Aivee - Cupcake
Karuta Roromiya - InuxBokuSS - Aivee - Cupcake
Lugia + Ginjinka - Pokemon - Aivee - Cupcake [KingCard]
Misdreavus + Ginjinka - Pokemon - Aivee - Stuff [QueenCard]
Shadow Lugia +Ginjinka - Pokemon - Aivee - Cupcake [JackCard]
Celsius - Tales of Symphonia - Aivee - Cupcake [KnightCard]
Twinrova - Zelda - Aivee - Cupcake [AstreCard]
Din - Zelda - Aivee - Cupcake [LadyPowerCard]
Naryu - Zelda - Aivee - Cupcake [LadyWisdomCard]
Farore - Zelda - Aivee - Cupcake [LadyCourageCard]
Fairy Queen - Zelda - Aivee - Cupcake [WorldCard]
Great Fairy [Windwaker] - Zelda - Aivee - Cupcake [WorldCardKali]
Navi - Zelda - Aivee - Cupcake [WorldCardTriadSky]
Talt - Zelda - Aivee - Cupcake [WorldCardTriadEarth]
Tael - Zelda - Aivee - Cupcake [WorldCardTriadCore]
Great Fairy [N64] - Zelda - Aivee - Cupcake [WorldCardHeven]
Great Fairy [TP] - Zelda - Aivee - Cupcake [WorldCardCelestia]

That is her FC list. Out of ALL of those, the only ones that aren't more or less claims because they have to be claimed are ; Pinkie Pie, Black Lady, Karuta Roromiya, Lugia and Misdraevus. Now, the other claims generally have 1 pictures or are appearances with names/series that need to be claimed to be used. Like who the fuck would claim Navi for a character? Me apparently. I bet the next question is ''why so many?'' first, Cupcake's own fc's are 3; Pinkie Pie, Black Lady and Karuta Roromiya, which are her main appearance, Human world and Banshee appearances. This even might change as I update her, and turn her into an Asthavon! The rest? Cupcake's powers are tarot card abilities that summon spirits to fight at her side; such as it is labelled.


Okay, now we're hitting the big leagues; Next up is Ketheldrein Leonhardt. Profile x.x
Silvia Van Hossen - Princess Lover - Aivee - Ketheldrein
Agria Oaks - Final Fantasy Tactics - Aivee - Ketheldrein [Kyuu Kyou/Assassin]
Wang Yuanji - Dynasty Warriors - Aivee - Ketheldrein [Caster]
Noel Vermillion - BlazBlue - Aivee - Ketheldrein [Archer]
Samus Aran - Metroid - Aivee - Kethel [Avenger]
Cyril - Shining Force - Aivee - Kethel [Ruler]
Emilie de Rochefort - Tekken - Aivee - Kethel [Saver]
Aura - Dot Hack - Aivee - Ketheldrein [Aura]
Orie - Under Night In-Birth - Aku-Kara - Kethel (Purified)
Mu-12 - Blazblue - Aivee - Kethel [Alter]
Saber Extra - Nasuverse - Aivee - Kethel Kyuu Kyou
Saber Bride - Nasuverse - Aivee - Kethel Kyuu Kyou extra
Yumeko - Touhou - Aivee - Kethel
Kasuga - Sengoku Basara - Aivee - Kethel [Assassin]
Alisa Ilinichina Amiella - God Eater - Aivee - Kethel [Lancer]
Celes Chere - Final Fantasy - Aivee - Kethel [Saber]
Stardust - Elysion - Aivee - Kethel [Beserker]
Hilda - Beelzebub - Aivee - Kethel [Avenger]
Tsukino Usagi - Sailor Moon - Aivee - Kethel [Archer]
Sailor Moon - Sailor Moon - Aivee - Kethel [Archer]
Princess Serenity - Sailor Moon - Aivee - Kethel [Archer]
Kujou Tsubasa - Classical Cranberry's - Aivee - Kethel
Ellen Aice - Mu-Luv - Aivee - Kethel

I can almost hear you all screaming ''oh dear CHRIS Aivee, what the HELL.'' but let me explain. Ketheldrein has a lot behind her. She is my main, and my projected 0-2+. Yeah, she's that intense. And she's that complex. But here's a simple version; she has 4 basic Face claims. Ellen Aice, that hs 2 pictures; Kujou Tsubasa, from a hentai, Yumeko, a lesser known character from Touhou and Silvia Van Hossen. Ellen Aice is used in pair with Kujou Tsubasa; since together, they now have 7-10 pictures usuable on site! Woo! Yumeko is Ketheldrein's former self as Beldrein; which she reverts to sometimes. And Silvia van Hossen is her original base claim, and such the form of herself as Ketheldrein. With me so far?

Now she has 4 other forms other then her racials; her unleashed form, therefore her absolute true apperance due to restraining her powers, which is the unshareable Noel Vermillion; her Alter form, which is developped once a Suigura hits Kyuu Kyou, whom is the unshareable Mu-12. Her Corrupt form, whom has no claim currently considering she's an original picture (there are 3 of them I believe.) and then her purified form, whom is Orie. Now that leaves the wealth of other face claims out there right?

Her Joushou, Zenou and Kyuu Kyou are quite expansive; Her joushou is Agria oaks, due to Kethel materializing that armor, and her own hair growing to show the release itself. Her Kyuu Kyou, is Saber from Fate/Extra and on site, I have to claim Saber Bride as well, as those distinctions have been made in face claims before. So that should be one claim, since Saber Bride is just a alternate costume change of Saber from Extra, but is a different claim per site rules before; simply look at Pocky's and Tsubine's reserves from ages past. And this leaves her Zenou; that's where the bulk of the face claims are.

Her Zenou is a knight system; she works by shifting her very being, to fit a specific class of power. So here's the list; anybody familiar with typemoon's fate/stay night would understand this much better however. For those not, think of it as a class system from Final Fantasy or any typical rpg.

Saber - Celes Chere - Final Fantasy
Archer - Tsukino Usagi/Sailor Moon/Princess Serenity - Sailor Moon
Lancer - Alisa Ilinichina Amiella - God Eater
Assassin - Kasuga - Sengoku Basara
Berserker - Stardust - Elysion
Rider - Samus Aran - Metroid
Caster - Wang Yuanji - Dynasty Warriors
Avenger - Hilda - Beelzebub
Saver - Emilie de Rochefort - Tekken
Ruler - Cyril - Shining Force

Now I marked all of these as shareables in my list. I was going to share Emilie with Kendall/Agito/Shirou Emiya, but I don't know the status of that anymore. Also, a note on the Sailor moon claim; they are all technically the same character, but have different tags/placements in the series, requiring me to claim them as 3 seperate claims rather then 1 claims. Rather annoying, since counting saber, I would have 3 less claims for Kethel, which would leave her at 20 - 1 for Joushou, Kyuu Kyou, Unleashed, Alter and Purified, 4 for her main base, and the rest concentrated at her Zenou. Does this make more sense now?


And now, finally, the biggest elephant in the room; Callisto. THE PROFILE.

Now I'm not even bothering pasting the list for her. You know why? Callisto herself, has only 1 face claim; Felicita - La Storia Della Arcana Familiga - Aivee - Callisto. That is it.

Then what the hell is the rest? Well if you clicked the link, it should be understandable. Callisto is the very aspect of wishes; like a holy grail of sorts. All of those claims? Are a single seal, which are to be made in actual characters, that needs to be killed in order to activate Callisto in order to make whatever wish you want. Simple? I think so; more or less, they're claimed under her, until I finish them, like my Magician. Also, ALL OF THESE CLAIMS ARE IN AUTO-SHARE. Relatively, they are all to be shared in the end; I cannot deny someone out of spite. Though I generally ask for the share to make sense, such as with Kirito. See?


Does that help a bit on the massive amount of FC's? I sure hope it does, because I realize not everyone has an understanding of Aivee faceclaims. All of my characters follow this format, proportional on their claims; since the current meta is acceptable from 1-5 claims a character, then it makes sense for face claims that have a single picture, or less, to be paired within a greater face claims. But due to the fact that we HAVE to claim EVERY single face we use, this may seem like excessively many. I DO SHARE MOST OF MY FACECLAIMS, IF YOU HAVE THE BALLS TO COME TALK TO ME. I MAY ASK THAT YOU HAVE A BETTER REASON THEN ''I JUST WANT TO MAKE THEM.'' BUT GENERALLY I STAMP MY A-OK AS LONG AS YOU LET ME THINK A MINUTE OR TWO AND CALM DOWN FROM MY INITIAL YANDERE TENDENCIES.

Now that addresses MY situation.

now to address every person that posted in this thread. Some might have aggressive/insulting like terms to them, and some might be really passive; it's relatively to how I feel. This is all personal responses, since I gave everyone the cold, hard facts in my huge speech above. If you didn't read it, then don't bother replying or complaining, because I will simply COPY PASTE IT until you read it.



Shizuo: I'll address your first post first. What the bloody hell are you thinking? It seems to me that you are just being lazy/pitching a fit, because you wouldn't answer one person's question. And your information is utterly, and entirely wrong, so I don't even know why you bothered posting something like this, since we've solved this months ago, and has been quite annoying to deal with for the last two years; I am but the more recent point finger at. May I mention that Agito had a larger amount of claims that I would, if he finished his applications? What about JJ, that's not too far behind me? Or Crow that's constantly making characters, along with tina? And Kade? Dai had a lot of characters too; so on and so forth. Remember Serenity? She made like what; 15-20 characters within a month and claimed many fc's for them at the same time. And yet, you make the obvious target myself, just because I have 316 claims over 99 characters. Bugging you for a while? I explained the situation to you before, when I was upset at people doing this to me; and you AGREED with me and COMFORTED me and now you pop this out? I feel insulted as a person, and I feel hurt as a friend. I thought that you had understood; but I guess I placed my trust in the wrong place in that occasion uh? Who are you speak like that, when you yourself are guilty; need I remind you Black Lotus? Or Magnolia? Or other such ventures you've gone through? I think you're just more or less pitching a fit about how Crow was asking you the fc's name, and you didn't want to give it to him. It was a simple answer, and would have avoided a lot, and I mean A LOT of useless drama. - as to your rules, you yourself broke them in this topic previously and elsewhere, and I've been working on this post for over three hours, so you can just deal with what I post. You, with this topic, managed to create an entire cluster fuck and NOW you want to be mature, realizing people are pretty much coming down hard on you for having a kanda moment? Jeebus kid. Right now I'm not happy with you; I'll probably forgive you eventually, but right now? I don't know if I can.

Bee: I love you girl, but I do think that you made your comments on this without any information other then what Shizuo presented. The difference between Kanda, and what Shizuo is saying, is that Kanda tried to claim/make over 100 fc's within a single month; I know I had a huge reserve list, but I dropped it too. And most of these claims I have have been around for around 2 years now; I've spaced them out to get to this point. In fact, I'm not constantly making characters; before I made Tiamat, there was a giant lull between Luce, whom was approved April 6th and Tiamat, whom was approved Jun 3rd. That is a two month gap in which no other characters were created; and I could go look at other gaps as well. It's not like I have a new character in unchecked every week, unless I'm making a brace of them. So I'm not spamming them like Kanda was; and neither is anybody else, as far as I know. So it's two extremely different situations right there. I'm not mad at you or anything, far from that. I don't want this to sound aggressive either, although it might be since I'm ticked at the entire situation. But I just think you jumped in without looking up all the facts.

Sou: shuddap you lazy ass mofo. Naw I kids; but it just seems to be you are just being lazy. I'm always a pm, skype or other methods away, unless I am sleeping or out. It might take me a day or two to not snap and be all possessive jealous yandere, and think about it rationally, but I am human. and I own 99 characters; so get over it. JJ has like what, 40+? More or less, it just seems like you were bellyaching because you didn't have the 8-bit common sense to go pm the person in question or what not. If you wanted the face claim that bad? Why the heck are you stopping at seeing someone owning them? If you NEEDED them like you said, then wouldn't you do everything you could to see if you could get them? The rules are there, sure, and sure the amounts might be ridiculous currently; sorry if those few people have more muse/character making ability/management then you do. But that doesn't give you the right to just roll around and claim you're too lazy to ask. Bullshit. I'll leave it at that.

Blank: I'll reply to each post in turn. For the first one; hoarding faceclaims, such as Kanda did, claiming so many and then denying shares just because (see; Sephiroth shit storm as Flame.) is totally unacceptable in my book. I hate people who just hog the faces and don't share; that's why I'm being the total opposite. I realize that I have a lot of face claims (316; what a lovely number.) and yet, I have the sheer amount of characters (99) to match. Relatively, are you telling staff to go against the idea of PH; which was meant to be free, and do what you want, and start limiting things just because some people can't really get up ask, and just remain lazy, expecting it to be on a silver platter? I've joined many other sites, with such limits, and I found that the quality of the people, and writing, in general, is much, much poorer. I've also known the frustrations of having your claims taken away from you; Tsubine stripped me of a few claims, because at the time I couldn't put images on my applications since I was homeless, and my notebook couldn't load any. So I know other people's pains; that's why I MUST be accommodating to people; I've dropped faces before, and I will do so again if I hadn't already committed the face. there are literally THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of face-claims, with HUNDREDS more coming out each day. So why are people such in a tiff over a main shonen character, when if they took the time, they could find a look alike or something similar if not better? I do offer to do it for them as well. But if the person themselves, the one that needs to communicate their intentions, does not do so, and simply turns around and refuses all help, then what can that person, with that many claims, do? Simply give up, kill all of their characters, going AGAINST the spirit of the site, just because a few people can't get over themselves and ask? How is that fair to anyone? It seems to me you did what Bee did and just jumped in, without much of looking around at the exact situation.

Second post: Yeah, Kakeru went a bit harsh, probably because he thought the same thing I did. I don't agree with how he posted it, but there's nothing I can do about that other then say so. But I do agree with you; me and JJ have a lot of claims, and there's not much that can be done about that. I know for a fact that most claims are clean, because I maintain that list really hardcore. I've always wanted to work in the fc section, and I keep my section tight, unless I'm under major amounts of stress like I have been currently, playing games to prevent myself from snapping at people in general. I still fail, but I am human. And I do agree with some extents on some form of limits; but I'm just tired of being the one pointed out, when I can point out all of these counter-measures that have been taken for these complaints quite a while back. And if people are STILL not happy even with ALL of the efforts that have been put from one side, then that's not that side's fault. There has to be two forces pushing towards each other; if the ones complaining never even SPOKE to the person, how can they truly complain when they have done nothing themselves to resolve it? Are we supposed to magically know that they are upset? Like pointed out earlier, there is a rule that says ''speak to Aivee about her faceclaims''. Staff IS aware of my situation; and that measure HAS been taken. but if they will NOT speak to me, then there is nothing staff can do, because you can only help others that wish to help themselves. If I sound aggressive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to be. I'm just trying to point out some of the inherant flaws that the complainers have obviously skimmed over.


Crow: To be fair, I thought that everyone was against me at first. And it was a relief to see your post; it really was. Finally, someone that actually didn't just jump in the bandwagon of ''Aivee has 316 claims, let's say she's a bitch and never shares are push for her to get removed!'' which is what I felt initially. I woke up to this mess.. so yeah. Your initial post would've probably made me a bit mad; the edit did help a mite. But relatively, solid, and you know both sides, so I think you're well balanced in this issue. Kudos to you.


JJ: Oh my tomcat, how I love you! I swear, you're just as sick over this entire thing then I am; isn't it just dull that people bring up the same old issues, over and over? Christ, it's just like when we had to deal with Kanda; it's just so old it sickens me. Though the overall aggressiveness I didn't expect, but I know you are like me; just sick and tired of this. And at this point? I may considering making that special rule of mine apply to everyone; and perhaps people would then understand how little rights I have sometimes, with my own fc's. and it wasn't just with me; Agito had the same problem. The share system was CREATED because of Agito/Me issues. The share system is THERE for USE and yet people still IGNORE it in their SELFISHNESS of wanting the face claim TO THEMSELVES. If we want to argue on my face claims, how about we argue on how many 0 tier one person has, or how many organizations one person has, or how many remakes of a character one person has, so on and so forth. And you are right; Shizou never spoke to me ONCE about the situation. I woke up to this, and I woke up to other people telling me what's going on. Isn't that horrible? An issue with yourself that nobody clues you in until it's already in major shitstorm. Jeebus.


Frostbite: yeah. yeah. I know. I told'em. I TOLD'EM. It's in the rules, in giant print. but people. Don't. Read. Shit. All. To be honest, it's just the same people bringing back dead issues because they can't accept the resolution wasn't made in their favour. And there is a rule on reserving I believe; I enforce somewher around 10-15 claims, considering that according to my theorical information out of what I've observed as a pattern, is somewhere about 3-5 characters if we go on 5 claims to 3 claims. And I have slowed down in that character roll; I tend to wait a month or two between small bursts of apps, depending on what I'm doing. I spent may and most of june working up on my characters and such; it's just seeming like I do only character apps, but it's really not true. It's more or less everyone needs to start reading, and stop derpin' with those eyeballs and use'em dammit.


Gin: You might piss me off when we argue, but godammit man, you make me love you time and time again. I totally agree with you; and this is awkward since we always never fully agree, but I totally, and utterly agree with you. *hands Gin some cookies*

Chaozi: SDKFHSDKFHSDF. You are honestly, the last person I expected to speak about this. Because I remember when you wanted to shut me down, and you were just so angry with me. I always thought you always hated me for having so much more characters/fcs then the average person, and to be honest, it was stressful. But reading this.. I can say for sure that I am touched. And yeah, I understand some people don't like to share; like when I talked to Sakuya about some of Tawny's claims, she hates to share. So I gave up the claims, knowing I could withstand their loss, for her sake. I can do that; I'm not some hog. But if you don't talk to me.. I can't do much now can I? XD

Wifey: ... lolvegeta. That aside; shut up you're being a reckless idiot. You're harping on everyone because you're frustrated that they don't understand the situation; get over it. I know you want to help, but you're our advisor; stop acting like you're having a tantrum and being angry and just fucking relax, and think logically. I know this situation irritates you just as much as it irritates me, but at least, I can fucking keep my head cool and try to address people. Sure I might have been harsh on Shizuo and Sou, but really? Really Anata? You just ended up exploding, having a small fit yourself. You are no better then Shizuo's fit, so just shut up, calm down, and come back when you can fucking decent and now mister I'm so fucking frozen I'll just ice everyone. And yeah, I agree with you; people should get off their asses instead of always me walking up to them. But you can't changed that a day to the next; and sometimes you have to be fucking patient. So sit down, shuddap, and watch the fucking situation; keep your damn temper in check, and do your job. Like goddammit, stop being a fucking idiot. > /whaps

Tina: .. wow, I didn't expect that. XD But calm down a bit, and just relax. Thank you for stating your opinion, really, and I'm kinda touched. It's really nice to see people actually know what measures I've done and what I've used. Makes me glad to see that some of the hard work and effort I put in does pay off. Jeebus, I know Frost feels now x.x

Kenji: You have solid points, but I have to disagree with you; if Shizuo is going to make a topic as incomplete as he did, and just randomly out of bitching for a possible denial because he would not give a link to a single picture just to make sure he wasn't trying to loophole the system, then this entire topic in itself is relatively buggered. So relatively keeping the peace is nice, but a lot of my post here does address more then one person. Also, if Shizuo would have just come to me in the first place, rather then bitch out crow and start this drama fest, a lot of things would have been a lot cleaner. But right now, this needs to be set right relatively, since there's a lot of misinformation, hidden motives and just relatively lack of logical sense.

UCHM: rofl lolol roflrolf SDFSD:KJFDSF XD! You made me giggle so much; and thank you for, repeating what I have been until we're both blue in the face. ''If you have a problem with so and so, TALK TO THEM.'' why is that so hard to understand? I'm probably a bit irritated and grippy myself, but honestly, I'm a little bit tired of always bearing the cross for this situation. I'm always the one sacrificing myself in ways that people don't notice; and even if I bring it to their attention, it often feels they can't understand. but your opinions are fine, and I'm not angry at you. It's just I think some things are misunderstood.

I do hope my post cleared up some confusions and such. It explained some of my more potent claimed fc's and gave an utterly accurate number of all my fc's, and I have a number to be updated each time something happens. I really do. So I can always give updates and such. Otherwise; I do understand that perhaps it was a shot at hoarders, but that wasn't put in clearly. It was more or less made in a sloppy way and thus attracted too much negative attention; so it developped this way. I would suggest next time, taking time to think, establish and putting up a topic that doesn't look like an overreaction to something and just targetting one person because you're unhappy.

Side notes: if I really wanted to cause drama, I would've done my first impulse; say fuck it, leave the site, and watch you guys deal with it, as suddenly everythign becomes free'd up, but yet is a few face claims worth that much of the bond we've built? If the face claims are worth more, then I guess I misjudged this place. I figured we all had good enough bonds that such things wouldn't bother us; such as like blank and bee's constant leave and return. It's minorly irritating; but I got over it, knowing that those two aren't necessarily doing it to be assholes. It's just a quirk; and if you can accept that, and still want to be good friends, then that, that is more precious don't you think? (it does annoy me, but like I said, I'm not as angry as I used to be. To people that just quit for no reason just irritates me even more though.). So I wonder; is our bond more then the want of fc's or would you rather have face claims and destroy the bond you have? It's an interesting question.. so I think. Maybe you guys should think on that too, and find your own answers.

Yeah. Done this text wall. x.x 4 hours gaiz, 4 hours.

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First off, i never had ignored crow in the first place to be honest? I quite actually was getting my foot checked because i got the living mess smashed out of it two days ago, therefor if you want to say stuff, at-least get your facts straight. And again aivee, if your going to solve the problem don't then be pointing fingers as i said i don't want this to be a blame game. Did i point fingers? Did anyone point fingers here? We merely where commenting on the amount of face claims that where present, and quite honestly that was it, as if you think about it 300face claims is quite a lot no matter how you look at it as a whole, therefor that problem was what i was adressing, and i even PUT if you read that their is a rule regarding your many face-claims which was why i said so, if my facts are wrong, then let me know? Did you not also admit you take time to deal with the face-claims? And also let me know, if you always are around or not. Simply put i was not pointing fingers at you, nor was i pointing fingers at anyone, i was pointing out facts. It doesn't matter if i understand or not, however because the fact is that i didn't even know myself this would get so out of hand, which is precisely why if you will aivee, don't be quick to point fingers. I understand your face-claim rage , i comforted you because i was at fault that time, however I was not griping, pitching a fit. No did i cap lock? Was i using foul language? No i was not, you would obviously know if i was pissed because when i am, i tend to be cussing and make it pretty darn obvious to behold, which is precisely why i did this thread. I was not lashing out on anyone, and i hurt you? If so, that was not the intention at all, HOWEVER you need to understand that for the most part, everyone in this site, even if the intentions are pure, in your case aivee, might not be as happy the poll showed that. HOWEVER , aivee think of this for me, if you where not the type to share? If you let your yandere side win, or are having a VERY VERY bad day, are you going to be as likely to think logically ?

And in blades case, it is very simple, that if you tell him that instead of denying him in the first place wouldn't that have worked just as well ? Rather then flat out denying him, and as well this is not me pitching a fit, if you would check before you used these things against me, as i've said before repeatedly and i can even bill you the note if i have to, i was at the doctors because i didn't want my toe to be infected and or ignore a broken toe, because i'm here with my father WHO i may add i don't see often, as he lives in south carolina, and we are going up to a water park and hotel to have some family time, so before you even bother trying to reprimand me of my actions, how about i ask you this very clearly, if i didn't care would i have bothered in the first place? No, i probably wouldn't have so why would i bother? Well because its simpler if we all have this in a thread, at one given time, so if this happens again, people could look back to SAID thread and just be like oh duh! and have a eureka moment and then get on with their day to day lives. Which is why further more i'm going to adress you more, because if everyone here has both no problems and problems then, why cannot everyone find a middle ground? It would be much more simple and without as much problems it would have seemed to be a logical answer would it not? I was not pissed at the time of writing this, nor was i in ANY way actually feeling like i was doing something wrong, nor betraying anyone in any way, in fact if you think i've betrayed anyones trust , then you should talk to me and find my methods, and rather look carefully I didn't once say Aivee on the Post so that it wouldn't be actually there in the first place, and thats why i'm asking this one more time, aivee if i didn't care? If i didn't neccisarily really give a shit, i'd probably have done nothing and just been like lol well then, HOWEVER if i do care which i do, then i would rather do something like this, and get this out in the open for EVERYONE to be able to use as a reference, then that would be easier b ecause in the future you could just link this whole mess to make it so that its rather just something that is easier to have in place then actually something that is insubstantial, therefor aivee, if you want me to say anything to you in particular then i'd have PC'ed you or PM'ed you however, i was talking in general which is why you didn't need to get involved, if you hadn't noticed the rules i implimented WHERE after i had talked about it in main, and this is precisely why i'm going to say this ONE time.

I'm in a lot of pain, and now i have a headache, and furthermore this thread seems to be more disadvantagous for solving a problem then it should have been advantageous, no one told you to drop your claims aivee, NO ONE suggested that now did we? Hell we didn't even care about the number itself, we where commenting on the number and the amount of FC'S IN GENERAL, don't blame the person, fix the system. Simple as that aivee. NOW then, That is all

This is simply my 2 cents. I won't point fingers at anyone, and this is simply in defense to my name being brought up. Simple as that.

Previously, I had no intention of stating anything in this thread because I saw it as toxic and unwelcoming for anyone new to the site. Personally, Aivee knows how I feel about her FC size I believe. Yes, it's a very large amount of FC's, and she has a fuck ton of characters.. but I simply joke about it. I will not sit here and lie and say I don't get frustrated and bothered when I find perfect FC's whether male or female and they're taken by the same person every single time, that person obviously being Aivee. Now, the thing is, I don't ask for shares anymore because after each time I've asked, almost every time was a no. Yes, previously, I had females that were not of a certain caliber for anyone to be quite honest, but I've changed, obviously. The fact of the matter is that you're using an example of me that was almost a year ago, that isn't very good of a choice on your end. Anyways, back to what I was saying. I do joke about Aivee's FC's and I do say that she has a lot some times, but I simply do it to release frustration when I'm simply looking for FC's and find one after another that's taken by you. In the end, it doesn't bother me, it can just be quite frustrating at times. My suggestion is that we let you have them, and you bold and color shared-enabled claims such as Frost had suggested both in your FC Thread and the actual FC thread. It's a great idea and personally, it would help with members all over the site. And a small side note is I do not need defending Shizuo, and this entire thread is filled with toxic comments, it's not good for us. Sorry if I came off as an ass or anything, but it's how I feel in a specific manner I suppose. Aivee, You know I love you and you know I joke and shit, so please don't see me as against you.

Not even gonna use any fancy pictures or make a really long drawn out post.... in fact, i had no intention to post here until Kakeru brought my name up. Anywho...

1. To Kakeru: I never exactly had alot of FCS, if i did, i always dropped the ideas due to Aivee, and how we bumped heads over FCS. I'm not really a fair example either since i'd outright drop a claim or stop reserving/claiming much, if someone points it out to me. I'm aware that Aivee will most likely do the same, but still, i just don't' like my name being mentioned in a negative conversation, which seems like the whole of this thread has been; negativity.

2. In general: Although i find Aivee's FC deal to be excessive, recent events have changed my mind greatly. On another site i am on, i have about... 100+ characters i plan on making, so i no longer have the same hate or rage against constant claiming, since in a way, i'm no different. Honestly, my only problem is when she has multiple form fcs for a single character..... sure they make sense, but still, it's something that always makes me rub my temples since that in and of itself is a bit much.

3. U srs: But beyond all of that, come on guys. We shouldn't be fussing over something as petty as this. I don't know who started this thread, but out of all the other problems we can tackle on the site, Faceclaims shouldn't be a reoccuring one. if Aivee has her ground rules set down for what she'll do, GO ASK HER. Don't go making threads like these that'll simply create more negativity, hurt feelings, throw names, and other dumb shit that really, Honestly does not need to happen. Ph should be a family, not people bickering over faces they can't get when there are 1000 animes for every manner of taste.

In conclusion, that's me two cents.

That is quite hunkadorey that I am one of those who chose to not show protest to Aivee's intention of posting the way she did. I personally do not like seeing a super-post that Aivee displayed as I would suggest using spoilers to make the post seemingly smaller while also more selective and interactive. On top of it, I would come around and say, "I told you so," but it is not appropriate to do that as Shizuo revealed his actual intention and gave pointers about why what Crow, Kakeru and Aivee are wrong to suspect him of going around their back to cause drama. I would point out to emphasize that point why I was on no one's side and I did not point fingers to begin with. At this point, me trying to be funny will be inappropriate for the amount of displeasure I feel now.

1. Drama is a presented problem.
2. Drama can be spread unsuspectingly.
3. Drama can start unsuspectingly.
4. Drama can only start with bad responses.

--temporary pointing finger moment--

Spoiler:

--temporary pointing finger moment is over--

How about this. We start over, take a step back for a moment, reevaluate ourselves, recognize the problem and try to face it without the finger pointing. Wanna know what I am asking this?

--Point of Feedback and Complaint Board--

Spoiler:

--End of Point--