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Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:28 pm
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Alright. So yeah, I’m good and annoyed with the issues I’m about to bring up, but I’m not gonna put anyone on blast here, nor am I going to point out specific people who are the targets; I doubt I need too, both parties know all too well who they are.

What is the bear roaring about? I’m roaring about all this fucking hate that is flying around the xat at people. Don’t you even act like you don’t know what I’m talking about. Jokes are all fine and good, but there is some real hate being thrown at people in the xat and on the site itself. There are people on the receiving end of a lot of backlash for actions that are either in the past or were stupid. Several people have jumped onto these hate bandwagons and have begun to pile even more of that hate onto them without any real reason or justification.

Now look, I’m not saying that everyone should be happy-go-lucky and pretend to like everyone. However, if you have real issues with the person, just don’t speak to them or, better yet, work the fucking issue out and quit living in the damn past. I don’t pretend to know the entire labyrinthine history that comprises the relations and undertones of the site, but I do know this; this is now, that was then, and in all honesty holding on to this hate is nothing short of petty and weaksauce all around. We’re here to have a good time, but if all someone is doing is getting flak in xat, kinda defeats the purpose.

Second issue; people being left out of RP because of shit said in xat. You know this is happening, and fine. If YOU personally have an issue with the person in question, then fine I can understand why you don’t want to RP with them. HOWEVER if you are just going by second-hand information you’ve got no right to deny RPing with someone simply because of what you have heard. Everyone deserves a chance to prove they can do better than what rumors say.

Now maybe I’m stepping out of my bounds here, but it has always been my impression that a staff’s highest duty is, first and foremost, the preservation of the community so that it can continue to grow, thrive, and generally be awesome. I have seen these issues crop up time after time after time, and when I have to run crowd control behind the scenes to keep people from yelling in main xat, quitting, and so on something isn’t going right here. And before people think to point fingers, I’ve gotten these complaints from MULTIPLE members. I’m all for jokes, but there is a point where it passes that the people start to take shit to heart, opinions get warped, and things start downhill.

Those are the only major issues I feel like bringing up right now.


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Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:07 am
I... sadly have to agree with what Genpaku has been saying here. The amount of hate, anger and people being left out is ridiculous. Gen has highlighted everything that I thought as of late, and I don't quite understand... I'm not naming people but I have a rough idea of who and what he is talking about. Hell, we all get angry at times. We all get frustrated with others, it's the CONSTANT HATING that drives people like me and Gen who are observing it through the wall.

I'm not saying Gen or myself are perfect, but I definitely have noticed it. I'm also not saying I haven't done it myself, I'm sure I have. However, when I do it... the people know I'm joking. That's the difference. I make sure they know I'm joking and if I did say something hurtful I make up for it.

I thank you Gen for bringing this up and I totally agree with you on this
100%. I'll notify Frost and other admins to look at this thread as well as all staff.




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Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:17 am

I totally agree with the metal Teddy bears point. People need to learn to respect one another and realise what they say has impact over the internet. The way you even say a line can be interpreted badly just because of the ways people read.

I think someone needs to invent the happy gas and spray it on the xat some times. But what really can we do to stop it except from say 'Stop being an ass to others and respect them as you would be respected yourself?' We can't predict an argument when its starts and sometimes we can't tell if somebody was offended by something.

The constant stream of >LAME and >2011 does actually get on peoples nerves believe it or not.
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Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:44 pm
On the line, Genpaku. I have noticed the unnecessary acts of teasing and meme'ing that I see as above Frost Standard. Chaozi already pointed out the very consistent ones like ">LAME" and ">2011" which did wear on my nerves, although I was told that I should get used to that. However, it is like poking someone in the head, it is annoying at first, then you get used to it, then it becomes unbearable as when told many times that you'll get used to it, it does not and you have no way of making it into an issue because people are so used to it.

Not only I noticed the hating and the unnecessary aggression, I also noticed some pressuring from some members onto even one of my advisors. One was when I had it with someone saying that he is disappointed in one of my advisors for not posting for him. I've heard it from him many times in the past, so I stepped up and told him off that there are other people waiting for him as well and he should have expected it. We dropped it later on, then it came to me that he claimed to know that advisor for years, I went back to him and told him that it was not the matter of time it is to know about it, it is how well it is to know about it. That member bluntly replied to "Come talk to me later when you have a degree in Psychology." I was downright offended, so I told him off, telling him that it is disrespecting the staff, but that member claimed that I was antagonizing him for bringing it back up. I told him that we dropped the "disappointment," not about the advisor.

I stopped my habit of checking in on Frost frequently for posts, but when I see members acting like that, it tells me that they are pressuring, which is aggressive to me and by being aggressive, it can amount to the hate mentioned by Genpaku and Kyle.


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Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:57 am
Oh woah, I really need to check this board more often.

Yeah, I see where you are coming from. I think a lot of us here have been caught up in doing this before but it's recently that it's stopped and now it's more the members doing things like this.
Won't say any names but take the XAT for example yesterday when both me and you were in there during the argument with a few of the members that took ages for us to control.

I really think the members need to be aware of if a staff members says stop, they mean it. As most of them take it for a joke now-a-days.

I guess we need to have a staff meeting or something about this seeing as it's something that is beginning to get out of hand.





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Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:50 pm
About damn time someone brought this up.

Honestly, I feel like an hypocrite posting here since I'm also the criminal in this situation. But I'm not afraid to say that I'm a victim as well. Recently, we've suffered through some major drama in the XAT even more than the drama during the Summer. I'm not going to list the amount of drama or the subjects of it down just like that because they were absolutely countless (and I am serious by that).

This may be Platinum Hearts but we need to somehow reduce the trolling going on around here. It makes us look unprofessional and the likes...

What was I talking about again? Oh, right.

We all remember that 'short' argument yesterday between some members about something so trivial and small but whatever we did (ie. telling them to stop, warn them about some punishments, etc). As Rin said, members need to take words from the staff very seriously. Yes, yes, sometimes, us staff members like to have fun with ourselves and joke around. But, if things get out of hand because of us, we know exactly what to do and stop what's going on.

Either way, we need to discuss some stuff about this. I can't write this down in one post so suddenly.
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Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:53 pm


My thoughts upon this whole thing..?
Well..

*splinters the door on his way in*
Alright. So yeah, I’m good and annoyed with the issues I’m about to bring up, but I’m not gonna put anyone on blast here, nor am I going to point out specific people who are the targets; I doubt I need too, both parties know all too well who they are.

What is the bear roaring about? I’m roaring about all this fucking hate that is flying around the xat at people. Don’t you even act like you don’t know what I’m talking about. Jokes are all fine and good, but there is some real hate being thrown at people in the xat and on the site itself. There are people on the receiving end of a lot of backlash for actions that are either in the past or were stupid. Several people have jumped onto these hate bandwagons and have begun to pile even more of that hate onto them without any real reason or justification

I agree with this. Whats the point of fucking hate and grudge? All it does is lead to conflict and more trouble, it does not resolve anything or help anyone else, all it does is personally gratify a persons desire, but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of one.




Second issue; people being left out of RP because of shit said in xat. You know this is happening, and fine. If YOU personally have an issue with the person in question, then fine I can understand why you don’t want to RP with them. HOWEVER if you are just going by second-hand information you’ve got no right to deny RPing with someone simply because of what you have heard. Everyone deserves a chance to prove they can do better than what rumors say.

Who the fuck is doing this? If its stuff like "Oh don't RP with him hes bad" and people are actally listening without coming up with their own opinion? That is just down right terrible and sad..


Now in all honesty... I agree with Gen's points and some of the above. We don't want to hear green text and 4Chan speak all day long, cause this isn't 4Chan at the end of the day, its Bleach:Platnium Hearts.

And with that, I make a end to the post.




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Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:33 am

Second issue; people being left out of RP because of shit said in xat. You know this is happening, and fine. If YOU personally have an issue with the person in question, then fine I can understand why you don’t want to RP with them. HOWEVER if you are just going by second-hand information you’ve got no right to deny RPing with someone simply because of what you have heard. Everyone deserves a chance to prove they can do better than what rumors say.

I completely missed that section out actually. I'd like to revisit that topic as I myself felt completely left out of things only a few days ago until I actually had enough and put my foot down, stopping me from becoming down about it and actually asking frost, gen and Shirou for some threads.

Leaving people out is just something down to who cares about who. People have opinions and their right to Rp with who they want to RP. If i were to take an example in Kades factor (jnsert dumbass troll face negative bull crap image here because i mentioned kade), I haven't heard word of him in ages because he was deliberately left out and everyones opinions of him were reflected in how people talked. Well, he did go a little OP on some shit granted but it;'s still leaving a member out.

After reading what everyones said, I do think we have some issues going around and actually, most within the staff itself where tension arises for absolutely no logical reason. I say that as a human being I have tenancies to switch off when listening to certain people but thats just me xD Nobody is perfect.

Apologies for bringing this thread up again, but its one that i want to bear fruit.
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Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:02 am
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This is all well and good for a compliant, I agree on some parts and everyone has a legit point. However, please do not let this thread fall under the rug with no action taken. Thanks to this thread being created, I'd like to see some sort of guideline, rule or any type of system set in place to prevent these things from happening on the xat. I'll do my best to keep my hissy-fits from bothering Ravana, work on my shit-storm prevention skills, bring updates to staff about certain problems that could arise and various other things to keep everything smooth.

I really do not want this thread to go to waste, because you aren't reminded again, we are all just gonna forget this evr happened and it'll just be history repeating itself again. So as a staff member, I highly recommend some sort of higher authrioty do something about the compliants in this thread. Rather it be Frost, the Admins, Advisors, or someone.

But, that's just my two cents. Take it however you want. I just want PH to thrive, succeed and keep being the most intense Bleach RP out there.


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