Re: The Bureau

Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:28 pm

I for one greatly like this Idea. It could possibly cause Humans to advance some, and perhaps generate more conflict in some areas, which in turn can add on to the plot of this site. I would greatly like to see how this will turn out.

Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:37 pm

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The Aivee's Thoughts in Written Form

Well a'ight here we go. This is on a completely professional stance; I will not deal with any personal issues related to this formation. I am not conducting any personal attacks, and any personal attacks towards me following this post will be documented and posted as a formal complaint. If you want to argue against what I wrote, please write it here respectful and don't start an drama over it. I am stating this out of my position as a Moderator and Staff Member, not as Aivee the roleplayer.

Firstly; How is this org necessary? Human can join a plethora of orgs; K-world, Shadowfall on exceptions, Vanguard and the Rinyuuaru. Many of them have plenty of teams available; Human Ziamichi's have the Yajyuu as well to join. So it's not like they have no where to go, unlike quincies where they would end up ostracized due to a lot of the allieship, knowledge etc. Also the goal is already capable of being accomplished with the right things, such as having the K-world grant your wish, or following the Rinyuuaru's dream of destroying everything in order to rebirth it. So with that information; why is this organization necessary?

Secondly; How will you keep up the activity with this organization, without sinking any other organizations? Currently, the inactive orgs are K-world, Rinyuuaru, Vanguard, Monsuta; all of which could use a sort of hype boost in order to get their numbers up. The Vanguard has a planned meeting, and I am sure Raiki has plans for a Rinyuuaru revamp; that only leaves Monsuta and K-world under the inactive banners. Although I commend Hakai and Mizore for being active, that's not enough to carry a whole org. So more or less, instead of helping out already made organizations, one of whom could be used to grant the goal of this one, you are making another organization. So that results in my question; how will you keep up the activity in this org, and yet manage to not kill off other organizations?

Third: Are you capable of leading an org at this point? Along with the workload of what you already have, along with other issues, and the fact you have returned for something along the lines of two, three months at most, are you really capable of maintaining an impartial attitude and maturely reason out arguments and situations? Are you capable of pushing not only yourself, but others to post with plot in your organization, on a daily, active basis? Are you capable of doing this? That I wonder, and I would like to see something unfold about this.

Considering my questions, I would not mind a trial; but at the same time, this seems to be a wrong time to start up a brand new org, when the Vandereich is still on trial, and has not been confirmed as official as of yet. Since we're trying to promote another org, this may very well sink it due to causing stress to members that belong in both orgs and being pushed to become active, in order to maintain the org's survivability. In any case, it's not like I hold a grudge, but I'm just looking at this as a staff member. Though I would personally hold off until the Vandereich were confirmed or denied, but I think a trial would be the best of ways to go with this.

Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:45 pm

Time to get this ice-cool discussion under way.

Yo, yo yo yo yo yo.

Friendly neighborhood Neko here with his thoughts.

First up, Blade, I have somet houghts on your reply post to Kake.

Alright, first Blade, I believe he made it quite blatantly clear what he meant about the Vanguard. He meant that it was an Earth-Based org that humans could join, and even have the goals of this "Bureau" as one of their desires or goals accomplished.

Blade wrote:They are there to help humans come to power and stay IN power.

That's... very close to the defintion of racist.

Dictionary wrote:1
: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others.

Making humans come to power and stay IN power... That's... What the above says. So yes, it is racist, according to your words... Just wanted to clear that up.

Blade wrote:a world where they aren't being baby sat day and night and a world where they have some say so. They WERE born here after all, they DID come to this world and create something simply to be controlled by other people.

For the record, again, that could be accomplished through the Vanguard. Finally, Hollows and Plusses and Quincy are all native to this world as well... So why can't hollows fight along side them? Why is it human only?

And I'm sorry, but yes, according to your own words, your org is racist.

Alright... Now, as for Aivee's words...

First - I really, REALLY would like that question answered.

Second - Also would like that question answered.

Third - ...Again, would like to see the response to it.

My Stuff!

Alright, finally it's time for my piece... The very, very first question I have is, how will this not be the Curse of Force Feedback part Four? The first three parts all involved higher level members and staff creating or recreating an organization that there was simply not much member interest for. Do members REALLY DEEPLY CARE about the plight of the humans on the planet Earth and believe they should be the ruling class? On a personal note, no, I don't believe humans should be the final dominating force. I know humans to some extent... and fear for our world enough as it is. Back to the professional note, though, that is a question that should be answered. Are people willing to commit time and effort into making sure that all races on the planet earth are subservient to the rule of the human beings? That's my question for you...

And then I do have a small, personal note: Will this org be POSITIVE for the site? Will that be a primary part of it? Will it generate much activity, make people be excited to say "Yeah, bro, just joined the Bureau, we got epic leader xxy, but don'tcha know we got the best darn people out there." Will the organization be regarded as a good part of the site that is welcomed like pudding instead of swallowed like a horse pill and comes out like a kidney stone?

Those are questions that need to be answered, and I personally can't see even a trial beginning until those are answered.

So yeah, this from the professional office of the Admin JJ, who will Seriously wreak your f#cking S#IT if you ignore the time he's put in to try to help make this the best it can be.

Have a nice day~

Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:40 pm

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Give it a try!

I do, however have to agree with the idea that there are a lot of
organizations right now that need to be filled and this would only
make it further away from the wanted results. However, I do like
the human extremist organization idea (from what I perceived
on reading this) so I'll just say keep going. I'm pretty indifferent
to this, overall.

Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:38 pm

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Well, what have we got here?

I'm seeing all this stuff about it killing other orgs and straining them. In a way, I can understand your point, but as I've been over-seeing this for Blade, all of the current Orgs on the site, they're more based around the idea of domination; K-world, etc. Although I've talked with Blade about this, it's more of a haven for humans. And honestly, so what if it goes innactive? And whilst Blade's internet stability is questionable right now, I don't get why there's all this hassle over giving it a shot. That's what we do here at Platinum Hearts, right? We give things a shot. And you know what? It works. The same argument could have been said for the quincies, and it was, and now the Vandenreich boosted MASSIVELY in quincy activity as well as gained many new members, only being a few weeks old.

Trust.. I guess this is something we lack right now, but even if it died, then we toss it out and let it go. I'm surprised the Vanguard is still existing at all, so why not replace an org that's dead with the possibility to create another active org? I'd just like to see more people willing to give it a shot, there is literally nothing to lose. On top of this, Blade's internet and life had been questioned, although... He has always managed to come back onto the site in one way or another. Why not trust him to do what's right? I had been told, under supervised conditions, this could work well - and I agreed, showing that I'd over-look it as it went. Just like the Yayjuu is a safe-haven for Ziamichi, the Bureau could be a safe haven for humans. Face it, they've lost control of their own world. Quincies were in exactly the same boat as humans, you can't make them different. If a ziamichi, they can join the Yayjuu, Monsuta,; or normal K-world and Rinyūaru. Why not give them a chance of a force that could take it back without having to rely on others? Groups like the CIA and stuff still would exist, why can't this be a system like that? It'd make sense to give it a shot.

On the racist note, the only thing I will say on it is: don't single out this org for being racist. If you're using that argument, you could argue that every other org that only allows a single race is racist; making The Monsuta, Shadowfall, Gotei, Yayjuu, Vizard Corps and Vandenreich all racist. But in the end, it's up to everyone as a whole. Whilst this might be difficult for this to happen during the Vandenreich up and running as a trial, we're alive because we take chances. I'd like to see this at least have a shot.

Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:34 pm

For anyone saying that we already have enough org and that it isn't a good idea for another to be made: Where was this argument when the Vandenreich was being made?

Also, for aanyone questioning Blade's ability to lead an org, guess what? He already HAS an org leader. "But the Iramasha have 6 leaders!" So what? Azure is the leader of an entire race. Don't attack Blade's ability to lead because you can't come up with a good enough argument to go against The Bureau.

I noticed that a good amount of people complaining used the argument "Why not give it a shot?" or "We've got nothing to lose" for the Vandenreich. What, exactly, is the difference now?

Also, the majority consensus is that this org is a good idea, so it seems like we're gonna go ahead and finish The Bureau as a full-fledged organization (albeit on trial).

One final thing: JJ, that doesn't make sense. The Bureau isn't about humans being superior, it's about making sure they have a place to call home and arent stepped on. If trying to take your home back is racist, then there's something wrong here, and it isn't The Bureau.

Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:19 pm

I fully support this org. Late entry, but meh.
We should give what's tossed onto the table a chance, give it a whirl, and if we like it, we keep it. Just like a brand new game, yes? I do not see the racist area of it, so I can assume that was pulled out by mishearing or other silly mistakes. Vandenreich is supported due to the idea that the Quincy did not have an organization, but an organization for Humans was in questioned because of something else? I will hold up a mirror and say, "Get a grip, bro. Just because you did not like it means you have weight when you place a silly button on the post." And as for "fucking wreck your shit," that's a legit threat there if I see it as seriously as you did, regardless of position. I do not want to antagonize, but I just wanted to show that this is a RP Forum, not a place where one person can oppress another because they have involvements, that is extortion in the essence because it is threatening someone for a payout.

Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:35 pm

«IT'S TIME FOR ME TO MAKE A MOVE»

• AND SETTLE THIS MATTER HERE •

There is no need for a long-winded post from myself. I've read everything said in this said, taken into account some of the things stated in skype and took a bit of time to form my opinion. Ultimately, I'm asking myself once again: "who cares?" Henceforth, I put "I Don't Care" as my voting choice. This is because, for both sides, does it truly matter if this org doesn't or DOES NOT get the approval? In the event that it does get approved, SO WHAT?

For their side, it would feel right to have a human org BECAUSE there are other groups on the site dedicated for entire races such as the Gotei 13, Iramasha Clan, Sugiura Clan and so forth. Hell, even KHS is an org even though it's just a highschool. In light of that, will it really hurt to have a human org to intermixed? Sure, you can say that the Quincy Org can be considered one...but we all know fucking well they aren't the supernatural, Soul or powerless based human's we've come to known over the past few years on Platinum Hearts and you know that fact damn well.

Meanwhile, for the people against this, I can see why they don't think this needs an org. Perhaps it's poorly timed in light of the Vanderwhich getting their trial nearly completed. Furthermore, with the stress for people in other orgs to find members, perhaps it CAN wait until the other factions on the site are stable. Additionally, if you really want to save Earth, MAYBE you can join the Vanguard. After all, it is an organization which needs a MAJOR revamp, more people and some activity going on.

Why bother making a new org if you can't even focus on the ones you already got going on with the site at the moment? So in these aspects, I can understand why the opposition against this whole new organization may have a solid foundation in their arguments and feel the need to voice their opinion on the subject matter.

Yet, even with all of that said, I'm still not entirely bought.

In regards to Blade leading this organization; I'd say if he fails to lead it, then we'll just have his Co-Leader take over. However, with him being a Hybrid Iramasha leader, I really haven't run into any problems in that regard as he's trying to amp out Iramashsa activity. Furthermore, I'm proud he hasn't just LOLQUIT over the summer and commend him for staying true to his word so far. Glad to see that. So please leave all claims that he isn't a fit leader at the door, plox. Even if he fails, someone else will just take over as a circumstance of this thread.

Additionally, regards to the whole Force Feedback thing, I feel I should clarify that more on why this whole project has been taking place. I knew Kyle or myself should have made an announcement somewhere, but I had given permission to Kyle to overview it and then present it to the site because I figured if he was overviewing the project, he probably would have had a good idea of where this org would stand. Henceforth, since I was busy out of my utter mind, I sent him to deal with it however he saw fit AND THAT'S WHAT I cleared. Nothing more, nothing less.

As for what POSITIVE things it could bring to the site? I don't know about you, but I've heard people wanting a Human Org for awhile. Things may have fallen apart in the past, but that can change in the future. Ergo, I believe with the state of the world as it is, this org can and SHOULD be made as a safe haven for humans of all sorts to unite under one banter in order to fight against the change occurring in their world. It should be noted as a revolution based movement in my opinion. So, as far as the POSITIVE goes, I can see it producing more characters, more activity and people getting more interested in humans on PH then they already are and conjuring up more threads.

So, as a challenge, tell me what NEGATIVE things could possibly come from this? Is the sky going to shatter? Is water going to turn to flames? Is everything we know going to decimate in what we now know as the End of Platinum Hearts as we knew it? Even if this thing flops, people will just be "meh" about it and forget about the whole thing in a month time tops. Which doesn't leave much to lose if this whole operation goes south.

Thusly, with the major amount of people supporting this organization, I'm failing to see any reason NOT to give them a shot as apart of our sites tradition in welcoming new things. Although I do not care much for a human org myself, if people desire it, I will give it the opportunity to flourish in a trial much like the Vanderwhich.

Henceforth, my decision would lean towards having a back-up leader in case Blade fucks up his end of the deal, providing a safe haven for humans and they will need to REALLY pick up the activity for the following month. If nothing comes about of this org being made, and if they go inactive; then we'll just cancel the project, scarp everything and throw it into archives. If it turns out ot be a successful tool, then hey, we just got ourselves a new active org, people posting and more humans made on the site.

Therefore, that's my 2nd scents on this whole shabang. Take it with a grain of salt, m8's.

Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:46 pm

Either way, I still would like to see Blade's reply to the questions, as they were feedback directed at him and we would still like an answer before proceeding so that we make sure everything is understood.

Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:27 am

NOTE, MY OPINION IS NOT BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSES, I'M SIMPLY SAYING THAT IN CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THIS POST THAT OTHER OPINIONS ARE JUST NOT MINE. NOT HOSTILITY IS MEANT BY THIS.

Number One, The Necessity Of This Org

Unlike your opinion on it, or maybe somebody else's opinion, the necessity of this org is always going to based on the person looking at it. Whether I think it is necessary or not, that doesn't mean someone else will think the same thing. The reason why I FIND this org Necessary is that people have TALKED, REPEATEDLY ABOUT WANTING AN ORG SPECIFICALLY FOR HUMANS. Making this org to do so for them would be something that others WANT, not something just I WANT. And on top of that, the necessity is something that also ties back to the old Force Feedback, does it not? Was that org necessary the first time it was made? A FULL HUMAN ORG? Was it REALLY NECESSARY BACK then too? If not, maybe this org is useless to the site, but I doubt greatly that it is. It'll help activity grow within the human race and it can push in to major main plot development on earth, something that could be greatly appreciated by everyone on the site, in my opinion.

Number Two, Sinking Other Organisations

Sitting here, reading this portion of what needs to be answered, I simply think that this one is quite easy to answer compared to all the others. The activity of the relies on their leaders and the popularity of their organisation. Yes, other orgs can obtain members instead of the org in question, but in terms of gaining members and keeping them, it'll depend on what THE PEOPLE want. I will keep this org as Active as I can, and I will try my fucking best to keep others from removing their characters from organisations to put them in The Bureau. I understand that there are other orgs that accept Humans, but you act like these orgs are very open to it. The Bureau is SPECIFICALLY for humans, nothing more nothing less. I do not wish to take from other organisations, and I'm sure others do not want to do that either, so I'll keep it in my best interest to refrain from doing so, throughout the entirety of the orgs existence if it is deemed approved.

Number Three, Am I Able to Leader an Organisation

I'm going to quote Frost for a large portion of this post and response because I feel like he put it best. I hope that is fine.

In regards to Blade leading this organization; I'd say if he fails to lead it, then we'll just have his Co-Leader take over. However, with him being a Hybrid Iramasha leader, I really haven't run into any problems in that regard as he's trying to amp out Iramashsa activity. Furthermore, I'm proud he hasn't just LOLQUIT over the summer and commend him for staying true to his word so far. Glad to see that. So please leave all claims that he isn't a fit leader at the door, plox. Even if he fails, someone else will just take over as a circumstance of this thread.

I truly believe he put it best, if I fuck up, someone else can take over. Whether it be my Co-Leader or someone else that finds the organisation of needing leading. Along with that, I HAVE lead the Hybrid Iramasha and TRIED to amp up activity for MULTIPLE areas of the Iramasha while I have been here, not quitting, doing my best to stay on the site. By now I should be gone and have quit, shouldn't I? I mean, it's usually what happens I guess. Just didn't happen this time, and I don't plan on it happening.

Response To JJ

The first thing I'd like to say is that they are NOT racist. Your claims, and other claims on this, really bother both me and the two who had helped me create this org (Gin, Kyle.). It's not that you don't have the right to believe this or think this, but you're wrong in the end. Wanting what was there is not racist, if it was, it'd be like saying Blacks who wanted Freedom were racist towards whites, or the colonials taking back THEIR colonies is racist as well. Racism is NOT what this org is going for, AND on top of that they are not trying to force other races to be subservient, that's somewhere you went wrong all together, in my honest opinion. They aren't trying to make those who live in their world live under an iron fist, and I STATED that if others were to make agreements into allowing humans to have SOME SORT OF POWER OVER THE WORLD, WHICH WAS THEIR'S TO BEGIN WITH, that fighting wouldn't be needed. Although, just because they might not need to fight, doesn't mean they won't when they feel the need to. They are NOT out to make other races subservient, and they are NOT being racist in any way shape or form, I don't know why you think that but I think you're wrong in thinking such. I'm trying to make it seem like I'm not being an ass, so if I come as such, I truly am sorry. Another response to your post I'd like to make is that I think people will be excited for this org and it will be positive for the site. A Human Organisation has always been wanted on this site, people talk about their humans having no where to go all the time, I don't know what people are missing in seeing that but I sure see it regularly. This Org will allow activity for the Humans AND THE EARTH to increase, and they will be AN EXTREMELY HUGE PART towards the Main Plot line if it were to be made, which is what I want seen in humans. I want others to finally understand that humans aren't ants, in retrospect to the other races. People refrain from making humans to be powerful because the other races are already so powerful, why not change that idea and make people understand that they are important to this site and DESERVE a place for them alone, a safe haven?

And on top of all this, I'll be adding a new area within the org specifically for people that wish to seek refuge from The bureau. The humans that think they are not powerful enough but would still like to be apart of the org can be within this area to be completely safe from all that try t hurt them, whether they're human or not (The Enemy). I'll only add it if staff gives it a trial run, otherwise, I believe my post is finished. You can respond whenever you like, sorry for taking so long, I've been feeling rather tired and poopy these days.

What do YOU think about this org?