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Incarnatio Dei [GodBorn]
Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:51 pm
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Name of the Race: Incarnatio Dei
Summary:
Humans; their final evolution? How did Hercules, Abraham, or even Krishna receive such incredible, nay, divine influence? Incarnatio Dei are those who have died in faith; perhaps for their faith, perhaps because of their faith, but always having died. In this case, those whom they have faith in, their spiritual beings of those who Humans worshipped, find them, and leave with them a blessing that takes their humanity and creates and intricate relationship between it and the divine, allowing them influence over areas that are similar to that beings. Extremely rare due to their very cultural essence being infused within them; no two cultures are able to be done more than once! Giving your own spin to certain concepts is fine, but they nevertheless show how similar they are to humans in the fact that they do not have any other 'forms' or 'transformations' that they follow. They are intricately human, but also intricately infused with the divine. If you have a particular interest in one culture, want to make a human who is a bit more 'different' than most, or just want to make a character who tosses heads off his own private pyramid, this is the race FOR YOU!
How long have they existed?: This race has existed ever since man has congregated in a civilization. Ever since the earliest man worshiped or believed in anything, be it the moon and the sun, these creatures have existed. Numbers can't just be made or pulled out of nowhere. The history and the power of the characters have to reflect the time frame or legends from which they spawn, and thus correlate to an accurate point in history. For instance, a character based on the beliefs of Buddhism or any theme related to it, could not possibly be older than 2,800 as it nears the beginning and founding of that religion. However, the character may also be as young as the creator likes. For instance, just because Buddhism was created almost 3,000 years ago, does not mean the character could not acquire their powers just over a hundred or so years ago. It is the responsibility of the creator to verify and make sure his data is accurate and consistent. Also, there can only be one character per concept or legend. Therefore, should a character be the embodiment of Islam culture, their god and prophets, no one else under this sub-race may have so, as there can only be one. Given the difficulty of being considered part of this sub-race and the finite number of legends in the world as opposed to the near-limitless powers created by imagination, the numbers of the members of this race would be rather small. Before one can create this race, it must be ran through to make sure it is consistent and accurate given their significance.
Sub Race of: Human
Secondary Sub Race: N/A
How to become one: Becoming an Incarnatio Dei is extremely rare and nearly impossible by most standards. The character has to have a very powerful and clear connection to the god/culture/religion from which they have obtained their powers. For instance, no: "I grew up in Soul Society and I'm strong and I control Poseidon's creatures lol yolo omg." No. The character must run through and display a very clear knowledge of the history or specifics of what it is they are trying to represent. Therefore, someone, for instance, trying to claim that a character possesses certain powers of abilities hailing from Greek Mythology would likely need to heir from that area or be in a way, deeply connected enough to the tradition where it would be plausible for the powers to be bestowed on them.
Members of this race are not born, they are created. Aside from the requirements of being knowledge, and for the character to be heavily involved with the concept they seek, there are more requirements. The character must die. The character must die before an incarnation of the concept appears before them. For the service, dedication, and involvement they showed during life, the incarnation of said concept would thus bestow powers relative to what the incarnation represents.
Associated Organisation: N/A
Orientations: Given the diversity of their powers, the race is not strictly subjected or affiliated with any specific organization. Instead, depending on the nature of the powers and the personality of the characters, each would likely seek who best fits their believes. For instance, someone based on Christianity as opposed to a legend or religion with near-opposite ideas or believes might choose to be part of different organizations based on whether or not they further their cause and match with their powers and personality.
Aesthetics: For the most part, the overall garments of the individual will change. Most often the armor or garments the individual will acquire will be a representation of the power that has been bestowed upon them. The choice is predominantly the maker's choice but it must have some form of connection, either through the choice of colors or design to the concept with which they have connected.
Additional Information:
Rarity
The Incarnatio Dei are extraordinarily rare; for example, there could not be two beings with the 'blessing' of the Abrahamic God or Vishnu walking around at the same time, as the spiritual being creates a very particular link. As such, they can have rather varied abilities depending on what their cultural influence is; but those cultural influences are only able to be for them. There is a magnificent amount of different cultures and theologies that have been created throughout the time of the human race; even things such as Witchcraft or Celtic mythology are considered applicable to the Incarnatio.
However, it is possible to have someone have the 'blessing' of Zeus and another person have the 'blessing' of Poseidon. However, if someone were to receive the 'blessing' of the Greek pantheon, than the others would become unavailable; on the other hand, if one had the 'blessing' of Poseidon, and someone else received the 'blessing' of the Greek Pantheon, then Poseidon would not be included. it is possible for multiple spirits to be involved in the initial blessing, although none can be involved afterwards. Their blessings, however, may become available for another person once they have truly died.
Additional Racial Powers:
- Longevity: Being an Incarnation Dei means that for the most part, the individual would likely never die of old age. For the most part, most individuals look the same way they did once they first acquired the powers.
- Keys of the god: As part of their powers, members of this race can access nearly any plane or dimension. Traveling to Soul Society or Hueco Mundo for instance, is thus as simple as breathing. However, one must take into consideration the orientation and affiliation of the individual a traveling to Soul Society when being a part of an Arrancar group might spell imminent danger.
- Kido-Mimicry: Though kido is not something that it is automatically granted to them, most members of this sub-race seem to have an affinity for it. Thus, should an individual from this sub-race ever witness a certain kido being used, it is fairly simple to recreate it and make it one's own. This strange affiliation seems to do with the way energy works for the Incarnatio Dei; the more gifted they are with manipulating energy, the more they are able to understand energy constructs. While their copies do not require an incantation, the lack of focusing for their reiatsu means weaker Incarnatio Dei will not be able to release the full output or effects of those which they attempt to duplicate; in addition, it takes a good three to four full observations/experiences of a kido to completely learn it. A single viewing, however, is enough to begin creating a framework for skilled Incarnatio.
- Momentary-Intangibility: Likely the signature ability of the member's of this race is their momentary-intangibility. At any time, they may make their body to be intangible and thus easily able to phase through any object, opponent, or weapon. The ability can also be used so that only a part of the body is intangible while a certain area is not. Likewise, one must be tangible, before delivering a physical blow if the specific limb or area of the body was previously intangible. The ability is not one that can be spammed so easily. For the most part, an individual can only remain intangible for a maximum duration of one post. However, if it is instead only a part of their body instead of a whole that has been made intangible, the duration is increased to two posts. After total intangibility, there is a post cooldown before it may be used again as opposed to a roughly half post cooldown if partial intangibility. If the maximum duration of the effects have not elapsed however, there is no need for a cooldown.
- Appearance of Faith: One thing that all the Incarnatio Dei do share in common is their ability to make themselves invisible to humans as they wish. The whole concept of faith, and all spiritual beings and religions, is that their gods and religious figures are not able to be actually seen. That is what it means to have faith; and this conceptual trait allows them to make themselves visible or invisible to human beings at will. It also explains why some such figures may have seemed to suffer 'death', but then simply went away to a quieter, more peaceful life.
Skills:- Energy Manipulation: This skill represents how gifted they are in manipulating reishi and reiatsu; this also applies to their ability to scan reishi/reiatsu creations such as Kido or the abilities of a quincy and is able to vary wildly. A beginner of this skill could understand the basics of how to manipulate reishi to create their abilities. An adept in this skill could begin to glimpse the basic outline of certain types of energy. An advanced in this skill could begin to understand the structure of different types of energy. A master would be able to quickly understand what it is that they are being attacked with, due to its makeup. Finally, a Grandmaster would find most energy attacks around them to be broken down to their basest level for study, and find even some replications to be at ease.
- Dei Connection: The more that your character is connected to the spiritual and conceptual abilities granted by their 'blessing', the more powerful and varied these abilities tend to be. For example of a Poseidon Incarnatio: at beginner, the ability to shoot bullets of water. At adept, the ability to summon small waves to throw towards opponents. At adept, the ability to begin raising water around the battlefield. At Master, the ability to completely submerge ones self and their opponent within an orb of water and manipulate it in such a manner to attack them. At Grandmaster, well, flood.
- Faith Level: The amount of faith that a character has in their own blessing. The more faith that they have, the more certain their abilities are, and therefore the greater amount of effectiveness they can perform. It is different from Dei Connection in that it is not their connection with those they believe in, but their own faith in what they themselves are able to do. Most Incarnatio find this the most difficult skill to advance, as they are very used to putting faith in others. A beginner of this skill would have little faith in what he could do, and therefore little control even if they could summon a flood. An adept would have some certainty in what they can perform, allowing them to use some of their simpler techniques at will. An advanced is able to discern that they are able to do most of the things that come out of them and bring these things under control. A master effortlessly controls just about everything that they create and begin to slowly explore even newer territory as opposed to random discovery. A Grandmaster is able to actively search out these new impulses and continue their growth.
- Symbols: The level of the symbols of their faith that they can summon. For example, the Poseidon example would likely be equesterian steeds. A beginner of this skill might be able so summon… a pony. However, an adept would be able to summon a full fledged horse to his side. An advanced would be able to summon an actual water steed of Poseidon, one which begins to take on the abilities of itself as more than just an object. A master would be able to summon his very chariot along with his horses, having much more intense abilities that it can perform based on mythology the character is 'blessed' with than before. Finally, a Grandmaster would be able to summon nearly divine-level steeds custom tailored for his own needs, as well as the horse even being able to be self-aware, perhaps able to do special things such as summon itself or remain with its Incarnatio.
Additional Racial Forms: Unlike most races and sub-races, Incarnatio Dei are somewhat unique. They do not possess enhanced forms of their powers. At the time during which their powers are bestowed, they gain the one and only look they will maintain for the rest of their lives. Though may improve on their skills their form is unchanging. In essence, it is more of a permanent constant-release form that is equivalent to the highest form of release of other races. Granted, the control over this constant release and their powers fluctuates from individual to individual and thus so does the potential power they exude.
Race History:
This race is as old as history itself. Since long in the past, humans have revered all varieties of spiritual beings. It comes as little surprise, therefore, that the spiritual beings of these 'gods' sometimes reply to their human subjects. Once they have been slain, those who held an extremely intricate relationship to their deities or faith may be chosen as a human champion for that particular faith of a culture. An example of such a man would be Achilles; though drowned of his life, he was resurrected and gained power unheard of ever before. All throughout history, these people have existed, though typically uncertain about what their powers and abilities mean, only saying that they 'came from the Gods'. However, those who survived long enough began to realize that they were something more.
Egyptian mythology, christianity, the greek pantheon, the spirits of the Native Americans, the gods of the Aztecs, those worshipped by Mesopotamia and the Celtics - each of these is a culture that is able to select a champion for itself to insert its own influence into. Of course, as time passed and new cultures began to call upon different spiritual beings, the powers of old ones faded. For example, in the modern day, an Egyptian Incarnatio Dei would be nearly impossible due to the culture which worshipped Amun-Ra and Horus and Bastet and Anubis has long since come and gone; similar tidings for the Greek and Roman pantheons. As such, beings of this race comign into existence has slowed down significantly over the years, although some traits remained the same.
All throughout history, only human champions were selected. Human champions with an intricate connection to their 'god' or faith of their culture; for example, the ressurection of the body of Jesus Christ through the will of the Ambrahamic God. These incidents are extremely rare, as the person in question needed to be devoted completely to their beliefs with no doubt to be able to take on this 're-birth' as the symbol of their faith. While several of these men and women would go on to become extremely central figures in their faiths and religions, some preferred to live a peaceful life.
The process of their blessing involves the spiritual being joining with the soul of a human; it is not like a ziamichi, as the humanity of the person is left completely intact. Rather, they become blssed, their body permanently changed by this effect. This is why some people have been called 'children of gods' in the past, due to showing abilities representative of particular beings. Overall, the Incarnatio Dei are an extremely sporadic race, as they are for the most part rather different from one another, sharing a few basic traits. They typically do not interact with one another, as due to their varied faiths they find it rather difficult to agree. They have a sporadic relationship with humans over the ages, each acting as they in particular desire.
The reason why they are typically regarded by humans as becoming legends are due to their status as being extremely powerful beings. This is because of the fact that they lack forms; just like a regular human, their full ability is present on display at all times. Some have gained the ability to suppress this when they desire, but they perform no form changes when they wish to exert their abilities, even up to the highest level. This means that their base forms are able to show as much power as the final transformation of a group of a similar tier. While they may get tired faster as a result, it also makes it easier for them as they are constantly developing and being comfortable with that one form.
Why Should we add/play this race?:
There ARE legendary figures in the past who have had abilities beyond believable human comprehension; this race not only provides explanations for these extra-ordinary humans, but also creates the missing link between characters who supposedly had 'the blood of gods' as well as giving new possibilities for players who enjoy playing humans, as they provide a wide variety of creative ideas and concepts that are able to be followed for the culture that a person quite likes.
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[b]• Name:[/b] (What is the name of your character?)
[b]• Titles:[/b] (Does your character have any sort of special title rank, nickname or alias?)
[b]• Age:[/b] (How old is your character?)
[b]• Gender:[/b] (Is it male or female?)
[b]• Affiliation/Rank: [/b](What Group are they apart of or are they rouge?)
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[b]• Personality:[/b] (Please create two paragraph's of personality in this section of the app. Add things they like, traits, dislikes, hates or anything of this nature here. Remember to include their faith and their own opinions on it, as well as how that affects them!)
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[size=18][b][u]Human Traits[/u][/b][/size]
[b]• Human Capacities:[/b] (In this section, which is optional, you can put any sort of human abilities they possess. It is worth noting that a large majority of humans can see spirits, so this can be a default if you desire. Additionally, Human Capacities can range from them being a very faster runner, to being highly analytical or being able to adapt to changes easily, possibly even having an extremely guarded immune system. It's up to you.)
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[b]• Symbols:[/b] (What symbols of their mythology are they able to conjure up? What abilities do they have?)
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[b]• Background:[/b] (Please create at least Two paragraph's of background history for your character in this section. Make sure to include how/when they died, the circumstances around them becoming 'blessed', and all events following up to the present day.)
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Re: Incarnatio Dei [GodBorn]
Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:31 am
Most of our issues with this have already been discussed in one way or another. However I will reiterate my views in more detail here, although I will ask for more admin/staff opinions on it after mine.
This just sounds like it should fall under the Shinigami Category. If they're human, but can mimic the kido with full power without an incantation, then it kind of takes away the effect and allure of being amazing at kido for a shinigami. This just makes it sound like they're being a shinigami, as it's also stated that they have to have died in this race. So, they've died, they can use kido. Why not make a shinigami? I did the whole religion idea with my character Nakami Yui literally like less than a month ago. She has the religious symbol and basis of that of Shinto-ism.
The entire concept of this race could also be put into a Danava Demon, which already exists for the purpose of this symbolism. Danava of each aspect, so there could be a Danava of Shintoism or a Danava of Christianity. We allow many different aspects with each character. The rarity also makes it seem like this is an instant high-tier character, that when someone makes a Icarnatio Dei that they are going to get 0 tier. Whilst that may not be the case, most aspects of this makes it seem that way. The pure rarity of them, constantly being at full power with no forms, alongside the no incantation for kido at full power -- it seems like a power-jumping race straight from the gate.
But yeah, I will ask Frost for his opinion on this too alongside other staff members. It's a no from me, for reasons discussed.
Kido-Mimicry: Though kido is not something that it is automatically granted to them, most members of this sub-race seem to have an affinity for it. Thus, should an individual from this sub-race ever witness a certain kido being used, it is fairly simple to recreate it and make it one's own. This strange affiliation seems to do with the way energy works for the Incarnatio Dei; the more gifted they are with manipulating energy, the more they are able to understand energy constructs. While their copies do not require an incantation, the lack of focusing for their reiatsu means weaker Incarnatio Dei will not be able to release the full output or effects of those which they attempt to duplicate; in addition, it takes a good three to four full observations/experiences of a kido to completely learn it. A single viewing, however, is enough to begin creating a framework for skilled Incarnatio.
This just sounds like it should fall under the Shinigami Category. If they're human, but can mimic the kido with full power without an incantation, then it kind of takes away the effect and allure of being amazing at kido for a shinigami. This just makes it sound like they're being a shinigami, as it's also stated that they have to have died in this race. So, they've died, they can use kido. Why not make a shinigami? I did the whole religion idea with my character Nakami Yui literally like less than a month ago. She has the religious symbol and basis of that of Shinto-ism.
The entire concept of this race could also be put into a Danava Demon, which already exists for the purpose of this symbolism. Danava of each aspect, so there could be a Danava of Shintoism or a Danava of Christianity. We allow many different aspects with each character. The rarity also makes it seem like this is an instant high-tier character, that when someone makes a Icarnatio Dei that they are going to get 0 tier. Whilst that may not be the case, most aspects of this makes it seem that way. The pure rarity of them, constantly being at full power with no forms, alongside the no incantation for kido at full power -- it seems like a power-jumping race straight from the gate.
But yeah, I will ask Frost for his opinion on this too alongside other staff members. It's a no from me, for reasons discussed.
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Re: Incarnatio Dei [GodBorn]
Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:54 am
I understand, you want this Sub Race to be approved for the same reason that anyone else wants their stuff approved, to create more enjoyment. But as discussed early in the chat, we have plausible alternatives for this specific sub race. Three different alternatives were mentioned in the skype chat and so I come onto the point regarding all other sub races; the reason as to why the majority are approved is because they don’t mimic or take fractions from other races, they're one pure sub race that diverges from one other race while giving them a unique oomph.
Now you maybe thinking what you've just read is a bit contradictory but it really isn't, I'd like to use the Sueki for example, they diverge directly from the human race: they don’t use abilities of other races: they're legitement humans who gain power from sexual stimulants: they fit well with the timeline as they begin in a realistic era: their purpose is clear and they can be of any strength. The God Borns though, they come across "divine" as mentioned and I personally think they'll be used as a loophole to higher tiers. From what I gathered they take a bit from each race, so I don't see how that makes them unique, I understand you wanted some constructive criticism to help you improve it so I shall begin with what I think should be changed.
To begin with, I believe that they shouldn't have any affiliation with Shinigami, as godly as they maybe they would have no direct affiliation with them and thus wouldn't learn the way energy is manipulated to use the Kido they witness; especially since they aren't a sub race of shinigami. Their purpose is unclear, what will they do in the long run? How will they contribute to development, instead of sitting on their asses at 0-2 tier? As mentioned the Danava can be used as easily, so I'm baffled as to why you wouldn't just go with that instead of going through the trouble? I personally would like to see them fit directly into the modern timeline; possibly some events that have occurred with their arrival and such. The keys thing, you must admit that’s essentially their version of the Gargantua or Senkaimon, so why or how do they have their own? Momentary intangibility (< spelt wrong most likely), is the one ability that I really personally disliked, because those who control one of these God Borns can just go "Hmm do I wanna get hit by Manas, Erics, Hakais or anyone else’s blow? I think not -phases out-" The energy manipulation capabilities they possess refer back to those of Shinigami, essentially the race is a snippet of a few combined, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. The ideology behind them is what doesn't sell it to me, I mean since they're based on faith who nowadays or in 400 years would put faith in ancient mythology? In the history, champions were selected which contradicts the "how you can become one" section as it says that your born as one yet here Champions were selected to become them?
I'm curious, why won’t Spiritual Humans with the capabilities mentioned in the Sub Race just do? The way I see it, they're spiritual humans who had the ability to never age, mimic the Shinigami Kido and some other stuff. Surely instead of going through the needless hassle of constant contradictions a spiritual human or Danava is made? I'd just like to reiterate what I mentioned earlier about the race being a gateway to higher tiers, I look at tier 0-1 and it reminds me of what this race is trying to accomplish, I believe that they're trying to just be a race of tier 0-1s. I'm not saying that, that's what you’re aiming to accomplish, I'm just saying that with so many similar alternatives I don't see why the approval of this specific race is so essential unless it’s for power.
All of the above are just thoughts that originate from my opinion based on the recent discussions over the past few days. (Well, somewhat based on the recent discussions) I understand that you're doing it out of thought for others but with this sub race everyone would be walking around like a powerhouse and what happens if one of the characters goes Antag? I don't see that being pretty...
Now you maybe thinking what you've just read is a bit contradictory but it really isn't, I'd like to use the Sueki for example, they diverge directly from the human race: they don’t use abilities of other races: they're legitement humans who gain power from sexual stimulants: they fit well with the timeline as they begin in a realistic era: their purpose is clear and they can be of any strength. The God Borns though, they come across "divine" as mentioned and I personally think they'll be used as a loophole to higher tiers. From what I gathered they take a bit from each race, so I don't see how that makes them unique, I understand you wanted some constructive criticism to help you improve it so I shall begin with what I think should be changed.
To begin with, I believe that they shouldn't have any affiliation with Shinigami, as godly as they maybe they would have no direct affiliation with them and thus wouldn't learn the way energy is manipulated to use the Kido they witness; especially since they aren't a sub race of shinigami. Their purpose is unclear, what will they do in the long run? How will they contribute to development, instead of sitting on their asses at 0-2 tier? As mentioned the Danava can be used as easily, so I'm baffled as to why you wouldn't just go with that instead of going through the trouble? I personally would like to see them fit directly into the modern timeline; possibly some events that have occurred with their arrival and such. The keys thing, you must admit that’s essentially their version of the Gargantua or Senkaimon, so why or how do they have their own? Momentary intangibility (< spelt wrong most likely), is the one ability that I really personally disliked, because those who control one of these God Borns can just go "Hmm do I wanna get hit by Manas, Erics, Hakais or anyone else’s blow? I think not -phases out-" The energy manipulation capabilities they possess refer back to those of Shinigami, essentially the race is a snippet of a few combined, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. The ideology behind them is what doesn't sell it to me, I mean since they're based on faith who nowadays or in 400 years would put faith in ancient mythology? In the history, champions were selected which contradicts the "how you can become one" section as it says that your born as one yet here Champions were selected to become them?
I'm curious, why won’t Spiritual Humans with the capabilities mentioned in the Sub Race just do? The way I see it, they're spiritual humans who had the ability to never age, mimic the Shinigami Kido and some other stuff. Surely instead of going through the needless hassle of constant contradictions a spiritual human or Danava is made? I'd just like to reiterate what I mentioned earlier about the race being a gateway to higher tiers, I look at tier 0-1 and it reminds me of what this race is trying to accomplish, I believe that they're trying to just be a race of tier 0-1s. I'm not saying that, that's what you’re aiming to accomplish, I'm just saying that with so many similar alternatives I don't see why the approval of this specific race is so essential unless it’s for power.
All of the above are just thoughts that originate from my opinion based on the recent discussions over the past few days. (Well, somewhat based on the recent discussions) I understand that you're doing it out of thought for others but with this sub race everyone would be walking around like a powerhouse and what happens if one of the characters goes Antag? I don't see that being pretty...
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Re: Incarnatio Dei [GodBorn]
Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:22 pm
[3/15/2014 6:26:53 PM] Andy: And I wasn't
[3/15/2014 6:38:16 PM] Andy: The biggest issue people have, other than my issue with it being less a cohesive racial power scheme and more of a "What's cool about other people" approach is that a lot of what they will inevitably boil down to is exactly what the Danava are, except they're human
[3/15/2014 6:38:56 PM] Andy: Outside of the abrahamic religions, whose god is entirely all powerful and is every concept instead of a single one, every deity has some sort of concept to them
[3/15/2014 6:39:14 PM] Andy: Vishnu, the one you keep using, is the God of Perserverence in the Triumverate
[3/15/2014 6:44:54 PM] Andy: Which is Danava territroy
[3/15/2014 6:44:57 PM] Andy: territory*
[3/15/2014 6:48:20 PM] Andy: For instance, the examples you gave in chat I wouldn't mind. Hercules, Moses, etc
[3/15/2014 6:48:35 PM] Andy: Because then you can craft a powerset around the legends surrounding those mythical figures
[3/15/2014 6:51:26 PM] Andy: Which does actually give you a lot of creative opportunities while still having a theme that isn't "Danava, but human!"
[3/15/2014 7:00:10 PM] Andy: Also...the powers feel so irrelevant to the concept
[3/15/2014 7:00:24 PM] Andy: The only one that feels relevant is Appearance of Faith
[3/15/2014 7:01:09 PM] Andy: Them being able to poof in to Soul Society or Hueco Mundo on a whim? Nothing to do with religion. Having their own plane of heaven to meander in? Fine, cool, sounds totally like a religious thing. Indiscriminate teleportation? Not so much
[3/15/2014 7:01:29 PM] Andy: Kido-mimickry...also nothing to do with religion, most religions actually admonish magic
[3/15/2014 7:01:41 PM] Andy: And the phasing...yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah...
[3/15/2014 7:01:56 PM] Andy: It's like you start out with a fun idea
[3/15/2014 7:02:18 PM] Andy: And instead of building on that idea...you make it a carbon copy of every other race and different shit every other race can do
[3/15/2014 7:02:25 PM] Andy: Instead of actually being creative or original with it
[3/15/2014 7:07:14 PM] Andy: If you need somewhere to draw inspiration from, I'd look at the Servants from Fate/insert strange titling system ending here
[3/15/2014 7:08:33 PM] Andy: I know the Sugiura already sort of do that...but there's plenty of things you could expand upon on a focused level instead of the rather wide brush the sugiura use
[3/15/2014 11:32:41 PM] JJ: Thanks for the advice. I'll take it into the account.
[3/15/2014 11:33:10 PM] Andy: Np
[3/15/2014 11:37:29 PM] JJ: So yeah, remove the bit about kido copying; remove or edit the part about changing realms other then their own plane; alter the phasing or remove it; help differentiate them from Danava by putting more emphasis on how they are only influenced by that aspect instead of becoming it.
Summary^?
[3/16/2014 12:45:23 AM] Andy: Effectively
[3/16/2014 12:45:58 AM] Andy: With the last part, I was more pointing toward having power schemes built around the legends, the stories, themselves
[3/16/2014 12:46:34 AM] Andy: Like Moses would be able to generate detrimental miracles upon others or something similar
[3/16/2014 12:47:43 AM] Andy: Hercules with the obvious superhuman strength and the absence of a refractory period
[3/16/2014 12:47:46 AM] Andy: stuff like that
[3/16/2014 1:45:52 AM] JJ: k
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Re: Incarnatio Dei [GodBorn]
Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:29 am
I haven't heard anything about this recently, so I'll be placing this in WIP Sub Races until told otherwise.
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